Boxingscenes P4P ATG list. Grade a fighter day 36. What grade do you give Lennox Lewis?

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  • #1PaperChamp
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    #21
    Originally posted by LeOoze
    You have to give him an A+
    No. A- or A.

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    • HitmanTommy
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      #22
      lets get it

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      • Marchegiano
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        #23
        Originally posted by siablo14

        Ignorance........
        I've considered your highly detailed and thoroughly researched point of view and have an equally worthy rebuttal; ... nah

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          #24
          Originally posted by Marchegiano

          I've considered your highly detailed and thoroughly researched point of view and have an equally worthy rebuttal; ... nah

          You gave Floyd an A+ but Lennox a B+?

          Damn.......

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            #25
            Originally posted by HitmanTommy

            You gave Floyd an A+ but Lennox a B+?

            Damn.......
            I give heavy credit to pioneers and judge followers less.

            I'd tell you Joe Walcott was trickier than Ali and McCoy was more tricky than Walcott, and, Mendoza is the trickiest trickster to ever trick in a boxing ring.

            Because, even though Mendoza was only just tricking fools with counters, no one in his time figured out what to do about it so he single-handedly changed the sport from hit and hit back harder boxing to hit and don't be hit back boxing. Mayweather never lost, but he didn't change the sport, and, Mendoza only lost because the nobles conspired against him to install a noble champion. He cheated but the ref never called it. These aren't my opinions, this **** is well old, it's a fact, the ref knew, the cheater knew, the money knew, everyone knew Mendoza had to lose that night. So, to really repeat Mendoza is takes a bit more than moving your head around and being super elusive. You need to be so unbeatable your contemporaries give up their own style to adopt your while the powerful conspire to get rid of you.

            So, more on the nose, Lennox did not live in a unterbelt era. He inspired the underbelt era. He even wrote into sanctioning bodies urging them to make more belts. Floyd's career is very much unterbelt era. Is it Floyd's fault or Lennox's fault there's no undisputed champions anymore? Is it Floyd's fault or Lennox's fault boxing as an industry is much more receptive to boxers maximizing minimal effort?

            Exactly, Floyd just did what Lennox laid out for him. Just like how kids are just trying to be the next Floyd now.

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              #26
              Originally posted by LeOoze

              Lennox was old as **** already when he beat Vitali. Lmao. He was 38.
              Lewis was planning on fighting Roy Jones so that’s a poor excuse. Vitali became his mandatory then Lewis retires 6 months later from the first fight.

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              • 2Shotz
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                #27
                Lennox outclassed Tua, went life & death w Mercer, avenged losses to McCall & Rahman, used a shot Mike Tyson for target practice, beat Holyfield once (the 2nd fight was arguable the draw), Bowe ducked him, and he turned Vitali’s eye into hamburger on a career finale. An intelligent and methodical boxer/puncher who could bring the heat, Lennox was a very formidable opponent but I suspect it’s his suspect chin and reluctance to rematch a very game Vitali that might slightly diminish his otherwise top shelf career.

                A.

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                  #28
                  B plus sounds about right ,let’s not forget he did not always have immediate rematches he also took Emmanuel Steward from Rahman or was it McCall ? after that loss , He also did run away from his own mandatory with Vitali in a fight many had him losing where he pursued Mike Tyson 2 and a potential RJJ fight so he wasn’t planning on retirement.

                  Steward said his career would be incomplete without the Klitschko rematch but he opted out of the sport instead of facing his most dangerous opponent. Yes he fought other guys after they were past it but Holyfield was tough in all years and his Morrison fight was probably his best performance .

                  Lewis did defeat everyone he fought that’s just a fact . Where he misses the grade A for me is the Vitali situation I think it severely hurts his career but overall it’s safe to say he’s had no less then a B . I’d give a B+ . But without Steward he probably loses a few more fights who knows ? Very much like Wlad Klitschko but Klitschko proved he could exceed without Steward ,Lewis never did but that shouldn’t be a penalty in grading here . Lewis also got away with holding and hitting to the head a lot but I looked past that .otherwise I give him a B . I think that’s what actually campuses the Klitschko cut if I’m not mistaken ?
                  Last edited by REDEEMER; 09-07-2021, 07:06 PM.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by REDEEMER
                    B plus sounds about right ,let’s not forget he did not always have immediate rematches he also took Emmanuel Steward from Rahman or was it McCall ? after that loss , He also did run away from his own mandatory with Vitali in a fight many had him losing where he pursued Mike Tyson 2 and a potential RJJ fight so he wasn’t planning on retirement.

                    Steward said his career would be incomplete without the Klitschko rematch but he opted out of the sport instead of facing his most dangerous opponent. Yes he fought other guys after they were past it but Holyfield was tough in all years and his Morrison fight was probably his best performance .

                    Lewis did defeat everyone he fought that’s just a fact . Where he misses the grade A for me is the Vitali situation I think it severely hurts his career but overall it’s safe to say he’s had no less then a B . I’d give a B+ . But without Steward he probably loses a few more fights who knows ? Very much like Wlad Klitschko.
                    Well what was he supposed to do? He was 38 years old by that point. Are people really faulting him over rematching Vitali? What's wrong with him trying to get a huge payday against the severely undersized Roy Jones that posed Lewis no threat whatsoever or the beyond washed up Tyson?

                    You're being unreasonable.
                    Last edited by HitmanTommy; 09-07-2021, 07:04 PM.

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                      #30
                      B+

                      He was allowed to hold wayyyy too much. And was chinny.

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