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Originally posted by -Kev- View PostA lot people don’t just say…
A lot of people see.
Judges see.
Fans in attendance see.
Some critics can argue all they want about decisions like Canelo-Lara, or Rigondeaux-Casimero. But you can’t go into the big stage fighting like you are at the amateurs or at the gym sparring and expect to get the win while showing the judges that you do not want to engage and getting the fans restless and booing.
Let’s be honest here, this was a very winnable fight for Pacquiao due to Ugas’ lack of volume. In my card, Pacquiao lost by 2 rounds. If Pacquiao pushed himself in just 2 more rounds, he could have won on 1 judge’s scorecard and tied on the other two.
Ugas clearly could not feel Pacquiao’s hardest shots, he was content with staying back and countering, shielding himself, shielding his body, chin, intelligently of course, but still. He could have not gotten the W over an aging, past his best, 42 year old fighter who is ready to retire. Just based on activity.
Cuban fighters, I am sorry, they are very talented, highly difficult stylistically, clearly: but they love laying eggs in big fights. Activity wise. They just want to run, hide, throw 1 punch and land it. Having a 100% connect rate. All 12 of the power punches they throw, land on their opponent. All 12 of them, in 12 rounds. We get it. You are accurate. You are smart. You score points. But if you throw 5 punches per round, land all 5, and your opponent throws 100 punches and lands 3. The judges will favor the guy who threw 100 punches. Because the judges are not seeing any slow motion replay like we do, or live punch stats. To a judge with a bad angle the 100 punches thrown could have looked like 60 landed, when it was only 3.
This is what causes a lot of “robberies”. A lot of robberies are really just that the more active fighter looked better to the judges. And the guy on the run, who landed all 5 of the punches he threw per round, looks scared and like he doesn’t want to be in the ring. Like he is dying to sit back down on the stool and rest. While the active fighter wants a 10 minute round.
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Credit where credit is due: Ugas won comfortably against a boxing great (albeit an old one).
Ugas himself is no spring chicken and I didn't hear too many people bigging him up before the fight, but he sprung the upset, fought a strategically smart fight and got the W. He deserves a measure of credit.
Good luck to him and I hope he has a few more big fights before he himself has to hang 'em up.
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Originally posted by -Kev- View PostA lot people don’t just say…
A lot of people see.
Judges see.
Fans in attendance see.
Some critics can argue all they want about decisions like Canelo-Lara, or Rigondeaux-Casimero. But you can’t go into the big stage fighting like you are at the amateurs or at the gym sparring and expect to get the win while showing the judges that you do not want to engage and getting the fans restless and booing.
Let’s be honest here, this was a very winnable fight for Pacquiao due to Ugas’ lack of volume. In my card, Pacquiao lost by 2 rounds. If Pacquiao pushed himself in just 2 more rounds, he could have won on 1 judge’s scorecard and tied on the other two.
Ugas clearly could not feel Pacquiao’s hardest shots, he was content with staying back and countering, shielding himself, shielding his body, chin, intelligently of course, but still. He could have not gotten the W over an aging, past his best, 42 year old fighter who is ready to retire. Just based on activity.
Cuban fighters, I am sorry, they are very talented, highly difficult stylistically, clearly: but they love laying eggs in big fights. Activity wise. They just want to run, hide, throw 1 punch and land it. Having a 100% connect rate. All 12 of the power punches they throw, land on their opponent. All 12 of them, in 12 rounds. We get it. You are accurate. You are smart. You score points. But if you throw 5 punches per round, land all 5, and your opponent throws 100 punches and lands 3. The judges will favor the guy who threw 100 punches. Because the judges are not seeing any slow motion replay like we do, or live punch stats. To a judge with a bad angle the 100 punches thrown could have looked like 60 landed, when it was only 3.
This is what causes a lot of “robberies”. A lot of robberies are really just that the more active fighter looked better to the judges. And the guy on the run, who landed all 5 of the punches he threw per round, looks scared and like he doesn’t want to be in the ring. Like he is dying to sit back down on the stool and rest. While the active fighter wants a 10 minute round.
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Originally posted by Ry92 View Post
Yup though cause spence def carrys more power pac mightve got marquezed during exchanges imagine that type missing vs spence crawford thurman had pac missed as much vs thurman one time wouldve kept belt. ugas is good beat or tied porter beat an aged pac in spence pass torch fight. Knowing all this welter more interesting now now we need 3 matchups to make porter vs crawford everyone including bud needs know how good really are n fighr a top 5 let alone 10. Ugas vs thurman spence vs any winner of those after he gets an amir khan broner warm up no threat big name good get in shape n test a punch fight for return after which go fight winner on that mini tournament or either champ
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Originally posted by budfr View Post
You are right. As a matter of fact, many saw Paquiao win. On Mexican TV for example, all commentators, including JC Chavez Sr, thpught Paquiao won or a draw and called it a robbery and gave the win to the Cuban for political reasons.
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