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  • Combat Talk Radio
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    I scored Fox vs. Maestre. And...

    Once again, NSB appears to be overreacting - and wildly - WILDLY - inconsistent.

    Over four years ago now, I called out the hypocrisy around NSB and how they see jabs.


    By and large, people said:

    "Power punches count more" -- Check_hooks

    "Are all jabs created equal?" -- Jsmooth9876

    "...snapping...head back all night with clean, clear jabs." -- downklown

    "A light tap of a jab doesn't mean much." -- boliodogs

    "...a soft jab that is just there to throw your timing off or get you out of rythm. This isn't the amatures where you score a point based on if the white part of the glove touches ignoring the actual impact it has" -- Chuckguy

    "A power punch is worth more than a jab. This is professional boxing not no outdated amateur point boxing." -- TRTboy



    And those are all in the first four pages of the thread. There are tons of others.

    If you watched this fight and said that Fox put on a masterclass, and you're one of those who feels internally like these guys above, you're a hypocrite. Straight up.

    Let me tell you what you saw.

    What you saw was a guy pawing a reset/rhythm disrupt jab and infrequently landing with it, infrequently landing a counter. Even the on-screen stats had him landing ONLY TWENTY-SEVEN jabs total by Round 8 despite constantly throwing it. Vast majority did not land. Rounds 2, 7 and 9 were his only clear rounds.

    Meanwhile Maestre's accuracy was through the roof because with the exception of a few whiffing haymakers, he only threw when he knew he would hit something. Maestre was the constant aggressor. Maestre had Fox on the run - literal run - in at least 5 rounds. If Maestre didn't get dropped in Round 2, I had him winning a RAZOR close decision, same as Keef against Manny actually ironically.

    Fox was all flash. Like Amir Khan against Algieri, or Naseem Hamed against Barrera. "All sizzle, no steak" as Teddy Atlas would say. Plus Compubox was gifting him punches that clearly hit gloves or plain whiffed air.

    By Round 10 they showed the Power Punch stats, confirming my notes below: Maestre was nailing Fox repeatedly on the inside and to the body, all power shots, and Fox simply had no answer except in a couple of rounds. Maestre had over 120 power punches to Fox's 91.

    So NSB: If you're going to sit here and tell me that power punches matter more than jabs...there's simply NO WAY you should have had Fox "clearly" winning, you should have had Maestre dominating.



    I'm not going to comment on the one judge. All I'm saying is:

    - It's fine if you had Fox winning close
    - It's fine if you had Maestre winning close
    - It's fine if you had a draw

    But NOT a robbery. Fox didn't do anything but flash a jab out all night and then gas late while getting beat to the body in at least 6 rounds.


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    #2
    Lol this guy is fine with Maestre winning. We are over reacting so I take it the commentary team were over reacting, the powers that have decided to investigate the decision are over reacting? The thousands of ppl who felt it was a robbery are over reacting.

    But you, just you, are the voice of reason?

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      #3
      Respect your points but I disagree STRONGLY! Fox won that fight clearly and by a wide margin. All the cards were terrible imo , with the 117-113 card Being as bad a scorecard I’ve ever seen. I mean Fox had a KD, which means they really had to be on the take.

      These scores were up there with Sweet pea v Ramirez, Manny v Bradley and Floyd v Canelo 114-114.

      I’m more pissed at these scores than I was Vazquez 117-113 charlo scorecard over castano, and I ranted about that for a week.

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        #4
        Originally posted by revelated
        Once again, NSB appears to be overreacting - and wildly - WILDLY - inconsistent.

        Over four years ago now, I called out the hypocrisy around NSB and how they see jabs.


        By and large, people said:

        "Power punches count more" -- Check_hooks

        "Are all jabs created equal?" -- Jsmooth9876

        "...snapping...head back all night with clean, clear jabs." -- downklown

        "A light tap of a jab doesn't mean much." -- boliodogs

        "...a soft jab that is just there to throw your timing off or get you out of rythm. This isn't the amatures where you score a point based on if the white part of the glove touches ignoring the actual impact it has" -- Chuckguy

        "A power punch is worth more than a jab. This is professional boxing not no outdated amateur point boxing." -- TRTboy



        And those are all in the first four pages of the thread. There are tons of others.

        If you watched this fight and said that Fox put on a masterclass, and you're one of those who feels internally like these guys above, you're a hypocrite. Straight up.

        Let me tell you what you saw.

        What you saw was a guy pawing a reset/rhythm disrupt jab and infrequently landing with it, infrequently landing a counter. Even the on-screen stats had him landing ONLY TWENTY-SEVEN jabs total by Round 8 despite constantly throwing it. Vast majority did not land. Rounds 2, 7 and 9 were his only clear rounds.

        Meanwhile Maestre's accuracy was through the roof because with the exception of a few whiffing haymakers, he only threw when he knew he would hit something. Maestre was the constant aggressor. Maestre had Fox on the run - literal run - in at least 5 rounds. If Maestre didn't get dropped in Round 2, I had him winning a RAZOR close decision, same as Keef against Manny actually ironically.

        Fox was all flash. Like Amir Khan against Algieri, or Naseem Hamed against Barrera. "All sizzle, no steak" as Teddy Atlas would say. Plus Compubox was gifting him punches that clearly hit gloves or plain whiffed air.

        By Round 10 they showed the Power Punch stats, confirming my notes below: Maestre was nailing Fox repeatedly on the inside and to the body, all power shots, and Fox simply had no answer except in a couple of rounds. Maestre had over 120 power punches to Fox's 91.

        So NSB: If you're going to sit here and tell me that power punches matter more than jabs...there's simply NO WAY you should have had Fox "clearly" winning, you should have had Maestre dominating.



        I'm not going to comment on the one judge. All I'm saying is:

        - It's fine if you had Fox winning close
        - It's fine if you had Maestre winning close
        - It's fine if you had a draw

        But NOT a robbery. Fox didn't do anything but flash a jab out all night and then gas late while getting beat to the body in at least 6 rounds.



        Man you can't be serious.................LOL

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          #5
          Originally posted by The Viper


          Man you can't be serious.................LOL
          You ain't lying. Each post is created equal.

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            #6
            I cant see how Maestre won, but I thought it was closer. The unofficial score has the right winner, but 11-1 for Fox is also a joke of a card tbh.

            I had to put the fight on low volume, because Goosen and co were callling Alexander Vs Santamaria very biased, according to them Alexander was controlling the fight easily and beautifully outboxed Santamaria and that wasnt the case at all. Villegas the unofficial scorecard guy scored this fight correctly though. Goosen was really suprised that they gave it to Santamaria.

            The same crew does this often, just from memory, they scored:
            LaManna over Mendoza and were shocked Mendoza won. Mendoza won easily (2x 8-2, 6-4).
            Villegas and the crew also had Fox in a very close fight vs Santamaria (76-75 for Fox going into r9), but Santamaria easily outworked Fox and clearly won on the scorecards.

            Fox had more clear rounds, the knockdown helped him a lot to make him look in control, but a lot of the rounds were Fox moving around (well), didnt allow Maestre to set his feet, but at the same time didnt do a lot of effective work either.
            Maestre was following Fox around like an idiot a lot, but from time to time was able to move Fox to the ropes, then started loading up on some punches (mostly bodypunches) before Fox either tied up or moved away.

            clear rounds
            Maestre 1,6,12
            Fox 2,3,7,9

            close rounds
            lean Maestre 10,11
            lean Fox 4, 5, 8

            Maestre was stunned in round 9, looked fatigued, took some clean shots, but composed himself somewhat from 10-12, fought with more urgency, while Fox's legs started to slow down. It gave more opportunities for Maestre to let his hands go. 10,11 still close, but was leaning Maestre.


            The picture shows the last time they showed the RBR stats for power punches, not much seperation in a lot of rounds, so those close rounds were won by Fox control of range and jab. But the power edge in round 1,6, 10, probably 11 and 12 were big enough to make a case for giving those rounds to Maestre.
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              #7
              Revelated’s score is the best possible scenario for the PBC A-side fighter?

              I’m shocked, he’s usually so objective.

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                #8
                Fox won that fight, plain and simple. It wasn't even close. Anyone who thinks Maestre won DKSAB!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by SUBZER0ED
                  Fox won that fight, plain and simple. It wasn't even close. Anyone who thinks Maestre won DKSAB!
                  You saw what you wanted to see.

                  Fox wasn't landing a damn thing.

                  Last edited by Combat Talk Radio; 08-09-2021, 05:35 PM.

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                    Originally posted by asgarth
                    I cant see how Maestre won, but I thought it was closer. The unofficial score has the right winner, but 11-1 for Fox is also a joke of a card tbh.

                    I had to put the fight on low volume, because Goosen and co were callling Alexander Vs Santamaria very biased, according to them Alexander was controlling the fight easily and beautifully outboxed Santamaria and that wasnt the case at all. Villegas the unofficial scorecard guy scored this fight correctly though. Goosen was really suprised that they gave it to Santamaria.

                    The same crew does this often, just from memory, they scored:
                    LaManna over Mendoza and were shocked Mendoza won. Mendoza won easily (2x 8-2, 6-4).
                    Villegas and the crew also had Fox in a very close fight vs Santamaria (76-75 for Fox going into r9), but Santamaria easily outworked Fox and clearly won on the scorecards.

                    Fox had more clear rounds, the knockdown helped him a lot to make him look in control, but a lot of the rounds were Fox moving around (well), didnt allow Maestre to set his feet, but at the same time didnt do a lot of effective work either.
                    Maestre was following Fox around like an idiot a lot, but from time to time was able to move Fox to the ropes, then started loading up on some punches (mostly bodypunches) before Fox either tied up or moved away.

                    clear rounds
                    Maestre 1,6,12
                    Fox 2,3,7,9

                    close rounds
                    lean Maestre 10,11
                    lean Fox 4, 5, 8

                    Maestre was stunned in round 9, looked fatigued, took some clean shots, but composed himself somewhat from 10-12, fought with more urgency, while Fox's legs started to slow down. It gave more opportunities for Maestre to let his hands go. 10,11 still close, but was leaning Maestre.


                    The picture shows the last time they showed the RBR stats for power punches, not much seperation in a lot of rounds, so those close rounds were won by Fox control of range and jab. But the power edge in round 1,6, 10, probably 11 and 12 were big enough to make a case for giving those rounds to Maestre.
                    You basically affirmed what I said. 7-5 Fox, and that's fine. Not a robbery.

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