Which is worse, Canelo “ducking” Plant’s $40mil, or Wilder ducking AJ for $100mil?

[The Big Dunn]

Bivol didn’t make an offer. He was offered one and negotiations were happening. Suddenly it stopped and Haymon reached back to Reynoso. And Bivol said he needed more time when in the beginning he welcomed the fight. Notice GGG Promotions is also Co-promoted by Matchroom. He too said he was ready when the Plant negotiations were happening. Coincidence that DAZN’s strategy had Al shoook? That’s because Al knows Plant would inevitably get upset. Remember Bivol is a Matchroom fighter. You don’t think Hearn knows how to play Haymon’s game? Lol. The offers were tactics for PBC to shape up or we walk

They had an agreement in place from the media reports and Canelo walked away. Then Reynoso went back to Al to try and make a deal.

You surely aren’t suggesting Bivol was at fault for this?

You seem to be saying the same thing I am- that Canelo appears to only have engaged in the Bivol talks to leverage Plant. That is why he is getting criticized by so many objective posters.

I don’t see how Al is shook because canelo came back to try and make a deal.

[Robbie Barrett]

His turning down Bivol and going back to Plant indicates his demands caused the fight to be turned down. When the tougher opponent gave in to everything, but for less money, Canelo decided to go back.

If that is no big deal to you, so be it.

You only are talking about the money. There are other parts to a deal besides the money that make or break a deal.

Canelo's demands? We all know Canelo makes concessions more than any other face of boxing has, so stop the nonsense. DAZN made a great offer to Plant and it got turned down. Haymon is playing games, but Canelo can see through it which is why he wanted the guarantee if Plant pulled out.

[Thuglife Nelo]

His turning down Bivol and going back to Plant indicates his demands caused the fight to be turned down. When the tougher opponent gave in to everything, but for less money, Canelo decided to go back.

If that is no big deal to you, so be it.

You only are talking about the money. There are other parts to a deal besides the money that make or break a deal.

All promoters want belts. Hearn wants Canelo to bring back the IBF to DAZN. Belts are what moves ratings. Bivol and GGG are Champions on DAZN. Hearn is in great spot since he can even instigate Bivol vs Zurdo Ramírez (vs GBP) or Bivol
vs Smith. Hearn can do filler for Bivol no different the way PBC does. Even with GGG, Hearn is the best promoter in the game atm.

To Hearn and Canelo they’re probably Laughing at the idea that Canelo would make a “career high payday” on PBC when Eddie would be all for that just to bring the belt back.

[The Big Dunn]

Canelo's demands? We all know Canelo makes concessions more than any other face of boxing has, so stop the nonsense. DAZN made a great offer to Plant and it got turned down. Haymon is playing games, but Canelo can see through it which is why he wanted the guarantee if Plant pulled out.

We do? Maybe so.

You’re avoiding talking about the Bivol fight and why that collapsed.

Of course it got turned down because Haymon doesn’t want to help Dazn grow it’s subscriber numbers by allowing them to broadcast big fights with his fighters. Most promoters don’t have their fighters fight big fights on networks they aren’t partners with.

But Canelo, according to reports, went back to negotiate with Haymon after he walked away from the Bivol fight.

[Thuglife Nelo]

We do? Maybe so.

You’re avoiding talking about the Bivol fight and why that collapsed.

Of course it got turned down because Haymon doesn’t want to help Dazn grow it’s subscriber numbers by allowing them to broadcast big fights with his fighters. Most promoters don’t have their fighters fight big fights on networks they aren’t partners with.

But Canelo, according to reports, went back to negotiate with Haymon after he walked away from the Bivol fight.

You’re the same guy who said Canelo asked for Franchise and ducked Charlo. So your new thing is Bivol now?

[The Big Dunn]

All promoters want belts. Hearn wants Canelo to bring back the IBF to DAZN. Belts are what moves ratings. Bivol and GGG are Champions on DAZN. Hearn is in great spot since he can even instigate Bivol vs Zurdo Ramírez (vs GBP) or Bivol
vs Smith. Hearn can do filler for Bivol no different the way PBC does. Even with GGG, Hearn is the best promoter in the game atm.

To Hearn and Canelo they’re probably Laughing at the idea that Canelo would make a “career high payday” on PBC when Eddie would be all for that just to bring the belt back.

You’re entitled to your opinion. All we know is Canelo, the cash cow, turned down 2 fights on one of the biggest weekends for the sport.

If this is part of some plan by Hearn, I don’t see how it is helping the sport.

From the responses in the threads, posters seem a bit upset with Canelo for this.

Maybe he will make those in house fights. But if Andrade/ggg is any indication he likely will not.

[The Big Dunn]

You’re the same guy who said Canelo asked for Franchise and ducked Charlo. So your new thing is Bivol now?

No I didn’t. I said he accepted the franchise and that took away his requirement to defend against his mandatory opponent, who at the time was Charlo.

Not my new thing, it’s the media reports about what Canelo did. Why you act like I’m making these things up is weird .

You can’t change Canelo’s actions. You can’t change that he tested positive. These are things he will get fairly criticized for.

[Robbie Barrett]

We do? Maybe so.

You’re avoiding talking about the Bivol fight and why that collapsed.

Of course it got turned down because Haymon doesn’t want to help Dazn grow it’s subscriber numbers by allowing them to broadcast big fights with his fighters. Most promoters don’t have their fighters fight big fights on networks they aren’t partners with.

But Canelo, according to reports, went back to negotiate with Haymon after he walked away from the Bivol fight.

We can speculate why the date moved, but we don't know. Maybe Canelo really wants the Plant fight instead so asked for it moving? Maybe Bivol needed more time to prepare for a fight, so couldn't fight in September?

This is what we disagree on. Haymon. Yes Haymon is doing what he thinks is best for PBC, but as the fighters manager what's best for PBC shouldn't even come into it, it should be what's best for the fighter.

You're a good poster but we just aren't going to agree about Al Haymon.

[The Big Dunn]

We can speculate why the date moved, but we don't know. Maybe Canelo really wants the Plant fight instead so asked for it moving? Maybe Bivol needed more time to prepare for a fight, so couldn't fight in September?

This is what we disagree on. Haymon. Yes Haymon is doing what he thinks is best for PBC, but as the fighters manager what's best for PBC shouldn't even come into it, it should be what's best for the fighter.

You're a good poster but we just aren't going to agree about Al Haymon.

more maybe Canelo was the one playing games all along. Fair points that we don’t know, but to be completely objective we need to consider all possibilities.

Yeah you’re a stand up guy. We agree on a lot accept British fighters and al lol.

I don’t mind that we don’t agree on Haymon. I only mind, like with the Ali thing, and the Plant fight ( he did accept the offer), that you go with your personal opinion even though the facts suggest that opinion is incorrect.

I think Al believes what is best for PBC is ultimately what is best for all the fighter he manages. Obviously that will not be true in every scenario.

[The Big Dunn]

PBC legionnaires are spewing all over the internetz that Canelo is ducking a career high payday, as if he’s never made more than $40mil in a single fight yet alone a complete year’s income.

Whereas with Wilder, when offered $100mil… I can’t recall what excuses the LDBC minds made up for that… as if Wilder had ever made Canelo paydays as such.

Would DAZN have defaulted on Wilder’s contract the same way they ended up restructuring the big money deals with Canelo and GGG?

Had Wilder signed with DAZN, would he have found himself in the same situation as Andrade and not be able to get the fights he really wants?