Comments Thread For: Kownacki-Helenius Rematch, Efe Ajagba-Frank Sanchez Slated For Fury-Wilder Undercard

[JakeTheBoxer]

charles martin is better than usyk, hrgovic, ruiz, parker etc.
gotta love american boxing and it's utter decadence

Martin is better than Ruiz, Usyk, Parker?

What are you smoking?

Martin is Helenius level guy.

[Inspired]

Bro your making yourself look ******, you're first ten, okay I'll give u that, chisora is a boss and one of my favourite fighters, however martin bakole is not better than these guys, u can't make a case for that, his most notable win was wach and he lost to hunter ffs who isn't exactly a beast. Helenius has beaten chisora, who we both agree is a good fighter, yet u continuously state he's a bum, this is just one example of how flawed you're 30 is, and I could go on but it would be an essay, but let's just go through a small amount quickly, junior fa should not even be in you're top 50 in my opinion and u have tony yoka in there yet one of you're first posts in this thread was about how awful he was, ajagba is unproven, same with you're boy Sanchez, and don't get me started on dychko and jalolov, and babic is the poor man's hrgovic, I made my point and u proved it, cheers for the laughs though

first 10 only? lol please, the majority of them are easily better...and only a few are debatable. Being unproven doesnt matter, Dychko, Jalolov, Makhmudov etc would fk em up.

I guess Sanchez is def unproven and the weakest link out of the lot but i put him there because he's trained by Reynoso, Fabio Wardley seems to have had a couple of fixed fights, so we'll see about him too.

I dissed yoka because he has looked terrible relative to the level he should be at. He still beats your guys. He just has a lot of improving to do after that nandrolone fail. My understanding of steroids is that they diminish natural androgen receptor sensitivity. The consequences lead to obv weaknesses until that function returns/improves..so yoka was expected to look like crap. ill also have fun at his expense because he's a frenchy. doesn't mean i don't rate him overall.

Bakole is a top prospect. He lost to hunter due to inexperience and poor stamina and ive got nothing against that, i like that he took the fight and likewise it was a learning experience.

Hunter stepped it up a level after the usyk experience. Bakole vs kownacki and helenius are totally diff fights, he beats them both easy. he's close to elite level, with a few tweaks.

Babic fks em both up lol, don't even doubt him.


Chisora was wreckless in the past. I'm talking about recent Chisora since he got with David Haye. Helenius is a guy who lost to Washington, who was beat by Charles Martin in recent times. I don't think Helenius 'improved' from that level. Honest truth on Kownacki, he trained with Miller, right?. He was offered the AJ fight and turned it down right after miller's fall out too. Who does that? a fight in his own city too. He wasn't vada tested prior to all that. I think he was vada tested for the arreola fight a few months later.
i think his natural level is just crapola. something very fishy about him.

btw all of this is my opinion, i could be wrong, so fking what? they're still bums relative to that level for a $70 card, prob the biggest fight in boxing outside of aj-fury (or i guess canelo-ggg if it's done again) and that too, a co-main event fight.
smh.
i just hope sanchez vs ajagba happens.

[Inspired]

Martin is better than Ruiz, Usyk, Parker?

What are you smoking?

Martin is Helenius level guy.

sarcasm....

[I have no ears]

Martin is better than Ruiz, Usyk, Parker?

What are you smoking?

Martin is Helenius level guy.

It's some fkn good s**t that's for sure

[I have no ears]

first 10 only? lol please, the majority of them are easily better...and only a few are debatable. Being unproven doesnt matter, Dychko, Jalolov, Makhmudov etc would fk em up.

I guess Sanchez is def unproven and the weakest link out of the lot but i put him there because he's trained by Reynoso, Fabio Wardley seems to have had a couple of fixed fights, so we'll see about him too.

I dissed yoka because he has looked terrible relative to the level he should be at. He still beats your guys. He just has a lot of improving to do after that nandrolone fail. My understanding of steroids is that they diminish natural androgen receptor sensitivity. The consequences lead to obv weaknesses until that function returns/improves..so yoka was expected to look like crap. ill also have fun at his expense because he's a frenchy. doesn't mean i don't rate him overall.

Bakole is a top prospect. He lost to hunter due to inexperience and poor stamina and ive got nothing against that, i like that he took the fight and likewise it was a learning experience.

Hunter stepped it up a level after the usyk experience. Bakole vs kownacki and helenius are totally diff fights, he beats them both easy. he's close to elite level, with a few tweaks.

Babic fks em both up lol, don't even doubt him.


Chisora was wreckless in the past. I'm talking about recent Chisora since he got with David Haye. Helenius is a guy who lost to Washington, who was beat by Charles Martin in recent times. I don't think Helenius 'improved' from that level. Honest truth on Kownacki, he trained with Miller, right?. He was offered the AJ fight and turned it down right after miller's fall out too. Who does that? a fight in his own city too. He wasn't vada tested prior to all that. I think he was vada tested for the arreola fight a few months later.
i think his natural level is just crapola. something very fishy about him.

btw all of this is my opinion, i could be wrong, so fking what? they're still bums relative to that level for a $70 card, prob the biggest fight in boxing outside of aj-fury (or i guess canelo-ggg if it's done again) and that too, a co-main event fight.
smh.
i just hope sanchez vs ajagba happens.

"Being unproven doesn't matter"?? Wtf bro, that is the main thing we can go off to see if someone is better, who they've fought and how they've fought.. We're not gonna agree, this is just u saying what u think will happen in you're own opinion so there's no point carrying on this argument with u, I still think you're a wanker for calling them bums but I admire the way u double down even when u know you're wrong and I've enjoyed the debate about the top level hw boxers atleast even if I can't even begin to agree with u on that

[Inspired]

"Being unproven doesn't matter"?? Wtf bro, that is the main thing we can go off to see if someone is better, who they've fought and how they've fought.. We're not gonna agree, this is just u saying what u think will happen in you're own opinion so there's no point carrying on this argument with u, I still think you're a wanker for calling them bums but I admire the way u double down even when u know you're wrong and I've enjoyed the debate about the top level hw boxers atleast even if I can't even begin to agree with u on that

what i meant by 'being unproven doesn't matter' was in terms of boxing ability and attributes.
when you see a guy like Ajagba demonstrate his power, you know wtf he is. Truthfully, do you think he doesnt have the power to spark out every one of the top guys (barring joyce who might well have an absolute iron chin)?, just using him as one example here. they all have their qualities.



you dont need to explain to me how they are not actually bums, i know they're not 'actually' bums, but relative to the size of the event....they are bums.

if it was AJ vs Fury and then Hughie Fury vs David Price is CO MAIN EVENT i would be like 'ttttf? bum fight, bums, i dont want to see that'
in truth, i wouldnt mind seeing that, but not on such a big event.

these are simple points. not hard to understand or accept.

furthermore, i dont need to be an elite boxer, to have the right to call them 'bums'. if im watching United play and i see pogba just run around the pitch at his own leisure then hoof the ball into nowhere and no one...my instant reaction is to call him a donkey, a sh** player etc.
is he for real? nope...but relative to the level he's playing at, his salary etc, he is certainly unworthy and someone i just cant stand.
if someone decided to challenge me eg 'admit it, you are wrong, he is not a **** player, he is one of the best players etc'...i would think that person was just pmsing.