Who had the worst PED Offense? Tyson Fury or Canelo?

[BodyBagz]

Yes there are varying opinions on the matter but the original poster already has the intended answer in his head and nothing is up for debate with him about it. One of my favorite things about this site is actually debating opinions with others. I just see no point in asking others opinions when you have no intention of considering them.

I have yet to read a logical bit of opinion yet. Have you ?

[Thuglife Nelo]

I think the topic of who is the lesser PED user is ignorant considering its beyond your ability to have a logical discussion. Why ask the question if the answer isnt debatable in your eyes.

So if an anti-doping agency rules that Nandrolone levels were ''unacceptable'' and had a 2 year ban suggests what? What would the acceptable level be for the Fury's to have ingested contaminated boar testicles? How come Fury ran away from media when asked about it? Canelo never ran from such questions and made a conference regarding it to make a statement. Then the following year WADA amends Clenbuterol and behold, 2ng is ''acceptable'' for meat contamination. Canelo had .6ng. That's below the allowance. So if Canelo were to have been ''Caught'' the week )not 80 days away) for a fight in 2020 for let's say 1.8ng, would Canelo be ''Cheating'' or promoters wouldn't bother disclosing it because it's under 2ng?

And again, why doesn't Nandrolone, the anabolic steroid, get a pass like Clenbuterol?

[New England]

fury and it is not close. clenbuterol is in meat in mexico in small amounts and the country is too poor and the industry too unregulated to get it out.


that said, canelo is surely capable of having meat imported or certified. the reynosos are butchers. i think both guys used drugs, but fury's is more blatant and less likely to be from contamination, whereas canelo's contamination is actually very common


i think fury lost weight and put on muscle at an accellerated rate, and that his stamina is in part from drug use. keep in mind that fury was 350 lbs and drinking 10 or 12 beers a day at one point.

i think canelo used drugs to dry out and make weight until he got to about 168 lbs. he looked truly famished and starving at 160 and below. created the 155 lb division and made the weight by the grace of god and a little AHEM help.

[Smash]

id say most of the top guys have done a bit of cheating, some more than others, i mean very few if any of them have been on year round testing over the years so it surely must be so easy to do it, u need to mess up to get caught

[Thuglife Nelo]

fury and it is not close. clenbuterol is in meat in mexico in small amounts and the country is too poor and the industry too unregulated to get it out.


that said, canelo is surely capable of having meat imported or certified. the reynosos are butchers. i think both guys used drugs, but fury's is more blatant and less likely to be from contamination, whereas canelo's contamination is actually very common


i think fury lost weight and put on muscle at an accellerated rate, and that his stamina is in part from drug use. keep in mind that fury was 350 lbs and drinking 10 or 12 beers a day at one point.

i think canelo used drugs to dry out and make weight until he got to about 168 lbs. he looked truly famished and starving at 160 and below. created the 155 lb division and made the weight by the grace of god and a little AHEM help.

Canelo at 155 IN THE RING was not as big as the Canelo from 160-175. Canelo has added in ring weight proportionally. Look at Canelo vs Josesito Lopez, he is smaller than when Hurd or Charlo were last at 154. And Hurd continues. Hurd could be fighting at 168 just like Jermall. So all that theory regarding Canelo is nonsense.

even the theory about “importing meat” means absolutely nothing since WADA has amended Clenbuterol so why would “butcher Reynoso’s” worry if all of Mexican boxing is in the clear. Reynoso would simply approach the situation as they did before. The only reason Canelo had the fiasco was because Loeffler insisted to make a big deal against GBP, the same Loeffler that pushed buttons on Fury’s nandrolone because some theory was Tyson’s anti Semitic remarks. The Klitchkos had the connections align with discrimination against Gypsies it was rather easy to hit Tyson Fury.

Fans continue to claim .6ng as cheating when TECHNICALLY IT IS NOW IMPOSSIBLE to “cheat” under 2ng if you got a case for meat contamination. Canelo always enrolls in VADA. It’s not even the same comparison

[Get em up]

So if an anti-doping agency rules that Nandrolone levels were ''unacceptable'' and had a 2 year ban suggests what? What would the acceptable level be for the Fury's to have ingested contaminated boar testicles? How come Fury ran away from media when asked about it? Canelo never ran from such questions and made a conference regarding it to make a statement. Then the following year WADA amends Clenbuterol and behold, 2ng is ''acceptable'' for meat contamination. Canelo had .6ng. That's below the allowance. So if Canelo were to have been ''Caught'' the week )not 80 days away) for a fight in 2020 for let's say 1.8ng, would Canelo be ''Cheating'' or promoters wouldn't bother disclosing it because it's under 2ng?

And again, why doesn't Nandrolone, the anabolic steroid, get a pass like Clenbuterol?

This post proves my point in the whole matter. Why waste time making a thread asking which is worse between Canelo and Fury when no matter what is said your gonna back Canelo? Why not just start a thread saying Canelo is a lesser PED cheat than Fury instead of asking people to vote? My point being your mind is made up no matter what and that's ok just dont waste time on a voting poll at that rate.

[Thuglife Nelo]

This post proves my point in the whole matter. Why waste time making a thread asking which is worse between Canelo and Fury when no matter what is said your gonna back Canelo? Why not just start a thread saying Canelo is a lesser PED cheat than Fury instead of asking people to vote? My point being your mind is made up no matter what and that's ok just dont waste time on a voting poll at that rate.

Uhhh… I added a poll. Did I convince others to “agree with me” or do the circumstances just make sense when understanding PEDS.

Isn’t my poll objective? Or would it be paradoxical if created a thread and a poll, “WADA allows cheaters use Clenbuterol because they don’t know what they’re researching when using spectrometry machines?”

realize that WADA wouldn’t amend Clenbuterol for just a couple cases. It would take cases in the thousands that makes sense for the amended decision. This shows how Rampant it is in Mexico, China and Russia. Realize that for years if VADA wasn’t involved regular commissions worldwide wouldn’t care nor even search for Clenbuterol. That’s why Sulaiman said it was pointless in Mexico.

[miniq]

Nandrolone is produced naturally in the body

Clenbuterol IS NOT.

UKAD sat on their "failed" test for 1.5 years. Fury is innocent.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Nandrolone is produced naturally in the body

Clenbuterol IS NOT.

UKAD sat on their "failed" test for 1.5 years. Fury is innocent.

Lol. And natural production doesn’t have a threshold? Were Hughie and Tyson just coincidentally super horny in the same month?

Nandrolone doesn’t have a tolerance like Clenbuterol because WADA loves Mexicans! That’s why they amended the drug!

[miniq]

Lol. And natural production doesn’t have a threshold? Were Hughie and Tyson just coincidentally super horny in the same month?

Nandrolone doesn’t have a tolerance like Clenbuterol because WADA loves Mexicans! That’s why they amended the drug!

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why UKAD sat on the test result for 1.5 years. It's unheard of.