Comments Thread For: Hearn: We Hope Team Fury Can Solve This Problem, But We Have To Look Out For Anthony Joshua

[Monty Fisto]

Arbitration was always about gaining leverage for MONEY, not redemption but MONEY because it's always about MONEY.

Hearn said, “Let’s see. Let’s see if Team Fury can pull something out of the bag for their fighter… Translation = Bob and Team Fury will need to pull MONEY out of THEIR pockets to pay Wilder's step aside MONEY ...not me.

Eddie Hearn may initially avoid contributing to Wilder's step-aside MONEY but Hayman is a MONEY-MAN and he knows there are 100's of millions floating around and he and team Wilder want part of it. Al will almost certainly ask for a wall of step-aside MONEY and possibility some type of a guaranty or option for the winner because THAT's where the real MONEY is. The problem with the option is that it screws up 100's of millions more in a AJ/Fury trilogy.

The rabbit hole doesn't stop there...it can escalate because Fury will have final say and he's a gambler. Fury, firmly believes that he can beat Wilder and he may call Hayman's bluff and refuse to give Wilder step aside MONEY. Fury like Hayman is smart, he understands leverage and he knows that beating Wilder a 3rd time will not only end the Wilder gravy train but also severely diminish the value of Al Hayman's entire heavyweight stable. If Fury call's Hayman's bluff, Al Hayman will be forced to decide if he is truly willing to risk it all on the premise that Wilder can beat Fury and to that I say No.

In the end, it's about position, leverage and MONEY, it's always about the MONEY. Everything else is chit chat!

Yes, I'm interested to see what happens if Fury calls their bluff.

The trouble is the Arum/ESPN deal, which means Arum is forced to try and make as much money from this fight as possible, and so he's lined up a venue in the US. To really call Wilder's bluff would be to say: OK, if redemption is so important, come fight me at Ibrox in Glasgow or the Etihad Stadium in Manchester or the O2 in London, anywhere but in the US.

I wonder what commercial terms are specified in the rematch clause. How much do they have to pay Wilder for this fight that they are contractually bound to give him?

[Monty Fisto]

No, you're wrong too.

A judge can't force two men to fight. A contract can't force two men to fight.

They can rule a contract is valid. They can rule that a contract has been breached. They can award damages for breach of contract.

It's very, very simple and not up for debate.

You are right on this, but the ruling gives a very have a strong hand to Wilder's team in leaning on team Fury to give them the fight.

Probably the strongest part of that is Fury's ability to fight in the US, which will hinge on giving Wilder his fight. Another significant part is financial -- punitive damages for breaching the contract.

One way to completely get out of it would be to retire. This absolutely proves your point that they cannot compel him to fight Wilder. He wouldn't even get sued for breach of contract.

Another way would be to fight only outside the US for the rest of his career and never step in the US again. There'd still be damages to pay, but he could fight who he wants (belt considerations aside).

[Fighter78]

Have a feeling Fury and Arum knew in advance what decision to expect, at least a couple of weeks in advance. They saw what way the arbitrator was leaning by the type of questions he was asking at those meetings, maybe also giving some other hints...etc. And their last meeting with him was what, 2-3 weeks ago?
Also, Fury's and MTK's "announcement" of AJ fight just 24 hours before the ruling became public(!).
Too many "coincidences".

Yep....you are absolutely correct and I kept telling folks Tyson Fury knows what's up with these arbitration hearings....the guy is a damn fraud and never intended to get in with AJ...the signs are all there.....just when negotiations were getting FIRE HOT...here comes fury saying "Wait don't get your hopes up"....then when Arum cones out and says the fight ain't happening here comes Fury saying the fight is happening.....then he makes an announcement the DAY BEFORE an unfavorable arbitrary ruling saying the fight with AJ is "on"...LOL....I don't know about you but all this is panning out exactly as I said it would over 6 months ago. Tyson Fury is a hype job and never wanted AJ.....it was all hype to help build another wilder fight....then if he beats wilder he'll say AJ has to go and fight wilder to get a "shot at him"...LOL.....what a damn joke of a fighter. Oh well....its the "Battle Of The BUMS 3" Lol

[Fighter78]

You're wrong. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

A retired judge can't order a man to put on gloves and fight another man.

FFS, where's your brain?

WTF are you blabbing about? The arbitration judge just ruled EXACTLY THAT! LOL SMDH...what part of HE HAS TO GRANT WILDER A 3RD FIGHT DONT YOU SEEM TO UNDERSTAND?...old bean LOL

[Joeboxeo]

Wilder-Fury 3 is on everyone's lips today. There is still a lot of badblood between these 2 rivals, a lot! Much more than Joshua-Fury ...

This third and final chapter will be the better!

[OldTerry]

No, you're wrong too.

A judge can't force two men to fight. A contract can't force two men to fight.

They can rule a contract is valid. They can rule that a contract has been breached. They can award damages for breach of contract.

It's very, very simple and not up for debate.

You are right, the judge can't force anyone to fight but what he can do is prevent Fury from fighting anyone but Wilder next. Fury will fight Wilder next and if he defeats Wilder (probable but not given) he would then be free someone else, maybe the winner of the Joshua - Uysk fight.

[OldTerry]

Arbitration was always about gaining leverage for MONEY, not redemption but MONEY because it's always about MONEY.

Hearn said, “Let’s see. Let’s see if Team Fury can pull something out of the bag for their fighter… Translation = Bob and Team Fury will need to pull MONEY out of THEIR pockets to pay Wilder's step aside MONEY ...not me.

Eddie Hearn may initially avoid contributing to Wilder's step-aside MONEY but Hayman is a MONEY-MAN and he knows there are 100's of millions floating around and he and team Wilder want part of it. Al will almost certainly ask for a wall of step-aside MONEY and possibility some type of a guaranty or option for the winner because THAT's where the real MONEY is. The problem with the option is that it screws up 100's of millions more in a AJ/Fury trilogy.

The rabbit hole doesn't stop there...it can escalate because Fury will have final say and he's a gambler. Fury, firmly believes that he can beat Wilder and he may call Hayman's bluff and refuse to give Wilder step aside MONEY. Fury like Hayman is smart, he understands leverage and he knows that beating Wilder a 3rd time will not only end the Wilder gravy train but also severely diminish the value of Al Hayman's entire heavyweight stable. If Fury call's Hayman's bluff, Al Hayman will be forced to decide if he is truly willing to risk it all on the premise that Wilder can beat Fury and to that I say No.

In the end, it's about position, leverage and MONEY, it's always about the MONEY. Everything else is chit chat!

Of course your correct about it being all about money but I do see one flaw in your logic. The Wilder "gravy train" is over already. The only way it can be resurrected is if Wilder fights Fury again and makes it a competitive fight. If Wilder can't get the 3rd fight he'll probably be satisfied with accepting step-aside money. If he accepts step-aside money his career remains dead but I don't think he will really care. The smart thing for Fury to do and it's for the good of all is to fight Wilder again (maybe on July 24th) and end the circus.

[Oldskoolg]

WTF are you blabbing about? The arbitration judge just ruled EXACTLY THAT! LOL SMDH...what part of HE HAS TO GRANT WILDER A 3RD FIGHT DONT YOU SEEM TO UNDERSTAND?...old bean LOL

Kid’s high on crack, I’d just ignore the little fella. There’s no reasoning with the mentally lame

[DaNeutral.]

HEARN, just **** that set of dossiers off. Wasters never wanted it.

[Ray*]

Wilder & Fury have a stadium reserved & the WBO has ordered AJ to fight Usyk. There's nothing to resolve. Get on with the fights

Agreed… Fury has a stadium reserved “Not Wilder” but I agree with you. They all should move on now, Fury/Wilder 3, AJ/Usyk and hopefully the winners can fight for the undisputed.