Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo-Saunders Aftermath, Canelo-Plant, Thurman

[Thuglife Nelo]

You must be new o the mailbags.

Bread has ALWAYS had a very STRONG stance against peds, even before Canelo popped.

Its not like he suddenly developed a strong distaste for it after Canelo popped, he always made sure to bring up the issu of peds and he used to always praise the guys who are e rolled for voluntary year round vada.

You didn't even notice that he praised Canelo for subjecting himself to that standard of testing and still performing at a high level because you have a one track mind and that is to lap up Canelo's juice and attack anyone who refuses to drop to your low standards.

Breadman praising Canelo is counterproductive and not even covert. Only an idiot doesn’t know his use of subtext. Every professional writer could easily see his agenda. So you basically “credit” Canelo but cite his PED incident every fooking time?! Lol. Only a dummy does that.

If Breadman was so “against” PEDS “before” then he wouldn’t have associated Jrock in the SNAC program. Supplement use isn’t even acknowledged by WADA for the dangers of cross contamination yet Breadman wants to be skeptical about PEDS. Please… only idiots believe his crap

all of you are exposed too. Jrock under the SNAC tutelage of Conte… Conte HIMSELF vouched for Canelo and Conte is on World Record having been exonerated by VADA for Bandito Vargas with Clenbuterol. Are you guys this dumb? If Breadman wanted to give benefit of doubt to Canelo he’d just cite Conte as a source, the same Conte who helped his Jrock. Monroe Jr. under Conte got “popped” for Charlo. The same Charlo twins whom missed VAdA tests. Imagine if Canelo missed VADA tests.

this is why Breadman is a fake and was on LDBC shows. Just a racist pro black trainer. Dont blame him. Philadelphia is a racist culture anyways of everyone hating each other. It’s no coincidence the LDBC hate Canelo and Mexican fighters while Breadman was on their shows.

It will all turn on Edwards anyways.

[ShoulderRoll]

Bread threw a lot of names out there of current trainers. But left Robert Garcia off the list who has a superior body of work to most of them.

[GelfSara]

I am curious; is Canelo's apparently dramatically increased power unusual for a boxer who moves up multiple divisions?

What is your opinion?

[wrecksracer]

I am curious; is Canelo's apparently dramatically increased power unusual for a boxer who moves up multiple divisions?

What is your opinion?

He does seem to be breaking faces lately. However, his punch selection and accuracy have a lot to do with it. He's also quicker than a lot of 168 pounders.He knows how to get in range to deliver. He seems to get maximum leverage on his shots.

[Boxingfanatic75]

I am curious; is Canelo's apparently dramatically increased power unusual for a boxer who moves up multiple divisions?

What is your opinion?

Some find their power when they move up in weight as well because they are no longer draining themselves to make weight. When fighting at your more natural body weight you maintain muscle fiber, water and can then focus on power in the gym.

[petegrif]

Breadman
I highly value your contributions. They are overwhelmingly the best content here and indeed are as good as or better than anything I read anywhere else.
However
I must take issue with you wrt your comments on Saunders.
I doubt we have a real issue but the way you expressed yourself was unfortunate.
Yes - S can be an *******.
Yes - this includes his remarks about Dubois
Yes - having been through this experience he should apologize to D, privately face to face and publicly
But
that doesn't mean he quit and it is IMHO dangerous to perpetuate this fallacy.
A fighter doesn't quit if they choose to not fight on when dangerously damaged.
This injury was serious. That isn't just my opinion, it is the opinion of countless doctors.
Had he fought on the consequences would likely have been catastrophic.
It isn't sane to fight on in such circumstances and we shouldn't expect fighters to do so.
There have indeed been fighters who have fought on whilst taking a beating. But this wasn't a beating it was a serious injust with the attendant risks of catastrophic further damage.
So saying he quit is dangerous and ironically it perpetuates the same macho attitude that S put on Dubois.
Can't we just agree that he behaved like a **** to D but that he didn't quit, he retired because he was seriously injured?
Can't we be very careful how we use words here so we don't maintain the kind of macho bs that gets people very very seriously injured or killed?

[Doubledagger]

Breadman praising Canelo is counterproductive and not even covert. Only an idiot doesn’t know his use of subtext. Every professional writer could easily see his agenda. So you basically “credit” Canelo but cite his PED incident every fooking time?! Lol. Only a dummy does that.

If Breadman was so “against” PEDS “before” then he wouldn’t have associated Jrock in the SNAC program. Supplement use isn’t even acknowledged by WADA for the dangers of cross contamination yet Breadman wants to be skeptical about PEDS. Please… only idiots believe his crap

all of you are exposed too. Jrock under the SNAC tutelage of Conte… Conte HIMSELF vouched for Canelo and Conte is on World Record having been exonerated by VADA for Bandito Vargas with Clenbuterol. Are you guys this dumb? If Breadman wanted to give benefit of doubt to Canelo he’d just cite Conte as a source, the same Conte who helped his Jrock. Monroe Jr. under Conte got “popped” for Charlo. The same Charlo twins whom missed VAdA tests. Imagine if Canelo missed VADA tests.

this is why Breadman is a fake and was on LDBC shows. Just a racist pro black trainer. Dont blame him. Philadelphia is a racist culture anyways of everyone hating each other. It’s no coincidence the LDBC hate Canelo and Mexican fighters while Breadman was on their shows.

It will all turn on Edwards anyways.

Bread sights ped issue every time anyway, weather Canelo is involved or not. That's the point you're blatantly ignoring.

When he used to get alot of questions about Wilder and GGG's power, he would always bring up peds and praise them for being on yearly voluntary vada.

He has been an advocate against peds the whole time.

You're just an idiot looking for a non existent agenda.

And Canelo DID pop. No one is gonna ignore that just like nobody ignores the record of someone who has a criminal record.

You can cry yourself to sleep all you want but the ped issues will follow Canelo to his grave, because he took em, and no one should have to pretend he didn't just because it hearts your fragile little mind.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Bread sights ped issue every time anyway, weather Canelo is involved or not. That's the point you're blatantly ignoring.

When he used to get alot of questions about Wilder and GGG's power, he would always bring up peds and praise them for being on yearly voluntary vada.

He has been an advocate against peds the whole time.

You're just an idiot looking for a non existent agenda.

And Canelo DID pop. No one is gonna ignore that just like nobody ignores the record of someone who has a criminal record.

You can cry yourself to sleep all you want but the ped issues will follow Canelo to his grave, because he took em, and no one should have to pretend he didn't just because it hearts your fragile little mind.

I’m not crying. Lol. It’s fun to expose Breadman’s agenda. As a matter of a fact I expect him to keep doing so, posters will eventually be like “wtf?” Tbh, Breadman makes it too obvious which I appreciate. If Breadman were doing it once a year or nowhere near scope of a fight date, I could perhaps give him benefit of doubt, but Edwards always does it during fight week, a post win, he just loves to “selectively choose PED Q&A, which IMO, I think he just makes up himself. Again, bringing up PEDS every single time when general publication in sports doesn’t is beyond comical. How many times was Fury’s nandrolone brought up from writers during the Wilder series?

Canelo poses a threat because African American boxing is deeply rooted with general culture. The image of Canelo’s complexion would affect the psyche of men whom probably were harassed or discriminated against their whole life, so these things are second nature to them. It could quite quite quite possibly be that Breadman is blind of his own hate.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Breadman
I highly value your contributions. They are overwhelmingly the best content here and indeed are as good as or better than anything I read anywhere else.
However
I must take issue with you wrt your comments on Saunders.
I doubt we have a real issue but the way you expressed yourself was unfortunate.
Yes - S can be an *******.
Yes - this includes his remarks about Dubois
Yes - having been through this experience he should apologize to D, privately face to face and publicly
But
that doesn't mean he quit and it is IMHO dangerous to perpetuate this fallacy.
A fighter doesn't quit if they choose to not fight on when dangerously damaged.
This injury was serious. That isn't just my opinion, it is the opinion of countless doctors.
Had he fought on the consequences would likely have been catastrophic.
It isn't sane to fight on in such circumstances and we shouldn't expect fighters to do so.
There have indeed been fighters who have fought on whilst taking a beating. But this wasn't a beating it was a serious injust with the attendant risks of catastrophic further damage.
So saying he quit is dangerous and ironically it perpetuates the same macho attitude that S put on Dubois.
Can't we just agree that he behaved like a **** to D but that he didn't quit, he retired because he was seriously injured?
Can't we be very careful how we use words here so we don't maintain the kind of macho bs that gets people very very seriously injured or killed?

Breadman is speaking from personal experience. I don’t know, maybe Breadman wants to have a fighter who doesn’t always fold under pressure… but make no mistake, BJS is indeed an @sshole and deserved the karma

[GelfSara]

Some find their power when they move up in weight as well because they are no longer draining themselves to make weight. When fighting at your more natural body weight you maintain muscle fiber, water and can then focus on power in the gym.

That would make sense for certain fighters...Canelo, however, not only fought at welterweight as a young adult (for the first 30 fights of his career), but after moving to 154/155 was consistently described by his team as not a full-fledged middleweight, needing more time to grow into the division, etc.

Despite the fact that while fighting at 154/155 Canelo consistently entered the ring with a size advantage over his opponents that he has not had in recent bouts, Canelo didn't seem (to me, anyway) to be the puncher he has become in the past few years vs. larger boxers.