Nicolai Valuev beats Gerald Nobles by DQ in the 4th

[Novirasputin]

Valuev has two things going for him besides his height

1. He is serious about his boxing
2. He works hard


So far in his career that has been the truth (look at how much better he has gotten technically, and look at his body which looks much better i think)


Whether that is enough to fight or even beat a WOrld Class fighter or perhaps win a title

is yet to be seen


I am only sure of one hting and that is he deserves a fight against a top fighter
10 years he has been working on himself and has had decent marginal success for a fighter with no amateur background and meager beginnings in a corrupt politics country ( i know i know the movie deal is not done yet


but still
for the amount of work he has done he deserves to fight against a good fighter

Im not saying he will win but he earned a shot at a decent fight.

[Argentina]

I was really disappointed in the outcome, I was hoping to see how Valuev would have handled Nobles. I believe that the fight was competitive in its first four rounds and that Valuev was a little hurt a couple of times. I don't think that he was getting hit with true low blows, although with his height and the way the shorts were pulled up one can't blame the referee too much. At 39-0 Valuev has no credible names on his record, and really needs to step it up. He's not young.

[Dude]

I kinda disagree Noviras*****. It's not only hard work that earns you a shot at a big payday it's talent as well. If every man above 2,10 would step into the ring and only work hard we would have thousands of wannabe prospects that can't box but want a shot at the big time.

I believe that Shaquille O'Neal would knock Valuev out if he'd been trained for a year or so. And thats a sad thing isn't it? At the end of the day I want to see the best athletes competing, not the ones who work the hardest.

[Argentina]

WHen trainers are asked what they'd rather have in the fighters they are training: talent or a good work rate, most of the time they answer with the latter element. Talent can take you far but without the proper work and dedication one will fall short. Valuev should be commended for his good work ethic and his attitude in the ring.
I understand that talent is something that he's not in abundance of, but with experience and training skills come that can do a fighter a lot of good, sometimes overcoming a very talented fighter.

Plus, Valuev knows where he's at in his career, he does not have delusions of grandeur, and does not go around saying that he could beat Klitschko or any of the other champions at this moment.

[PBDS]

I've seen a lot of HW bouts and I've seen some really bad ones but this one was just a disgrace for the sport. Valuev looked like he didn't know what to do. He wasn't able to hold Nobles on distance, he wasn't even able to connect with his jab which is pretty sad considering his huge size and reach advantage. In fact I'm quite happy about this fight being stopped so early because I'm not sure if I would've been able to follow it much longer. Don't get me wrong, it's not about Valuev being Russian or Nobles being American. It was just a very bad fight and I use to tell what I think. Nobles stunned Valuev once with some wild hooks that were very predictable and Valuev just stood there and didn't know how to react.

I have to admit that I haven't seen a lot of Nobles before but he just looked out of shape with these ******* and all the weight he was carrying. He wasn't fast, nor controlled, nor anyway near the standards for a good HW. He might have a good punch though but that's about it.

Funny thing is it looked like most of his low blows weren't thrown on purpos. Valuev had such a huge size advantage that it looked like Nobles could headbut him to the groin. And Nobles punches were far from accurate. That guy acted like he'd be surprised after he was finally dqed. The ref took 3 points for low blows before that.

In my opinion its just the bad state of HW boxing that makes a future hope out of a slow and untalented giant like Valuev. I'm sorry if that sounds a little harsh but as I've said before this fight was worse than bad.

...fair enough Dude!!!

[tino]

i saw the fight , and :

-all valuev has is SIZE .

-he only does 1-2 , 1-2 , he can t box , he is SLOW.

-nobles has **** BUT he can fight. he found openings and stun the bigger guy witha few shots.

-the refferee saved valuev , who after dominating the first 2 rounds got caught and ROCKED by nobles right crosses , and the DQ lowblow was not low , but in germany i m gettin used to it , it s scandalous .

-valuev would get kill by any short heavy with speed , tua barret , tyson toney , they would torture the giant.

-how they allow obvious corruption to be televised every month is beyond my understanding.

[Novirasputin]

I kinda disagree Noviras*****. It's not only hard work that earns you a shot at a big payday it's talent as well. If every man above 2,10 would step into the ring and only work hard we would have thousands of wannabe prospects that can't box but want a shot at the big time.

I believe that Shaquille O'Neal would knock Valuev out if he'd been trained for a year or so. And thats a sad thing isn't it? At the end of the day I want to see the best athletes competing, not the ones who work the hardest.

Allow me to retort


Talented boxers are a dime a dozen in my opinion


Judah
Johnson
Guinn
Bojado
Smoke Gainer
Oscar De La Hoya
you know and the list goes on

and yet even though they have shown flashes of brilliance (some like Oscar more often then others)

there are still losses on their record that COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED

Judah had Spinks and to some degree Tsyzu (although with tsyzu he lost on his own ******ity but were it to continue i don't know if he would win)

Johnson lost to Ruiz in a joke (and came in overweight to Vitali)

Bojado was distracted enough to lose to Leija who he floored

and the thing goes on

Oscar ran against Tito and was recording a Music album around the mosley 1 fight


Alot of these losses for these TALENTED GUYS

could have been avoided with dedication and a HARDER WORK ETHIC


take a look at a guy like Rahman every other fight and see the difference

if


ANY OF THEM had valuev's work ethic

I GUARANTEE THEY WOULD HAVE ACHIEVED ALOT MORE IN THEIR CAREERS AT THIS POINT


sadly they don't


and sadly Nicolai isn't as technically solid as some of the other guys and lacks early amateur cultivation

[Dude]

Being a fan and watching these guys compete I don't care how much effort they put in their work when they're doing fine and entertain me with their greatness. I'd rather see a talented lazy bum over a untalented hard worker anyday.

To achieve real greatness you gotta have both: talent and a great work rate. And that's the same all around the sports world. Jordan worked his ass off, Tiger Woods worked his ass off, Bobby Fischer worked his ass off ... this list could go on and on. But these guys wouldn't have achieved anything if they wouldn't have had their amazing talent in the first place.

You can't make an elephant out of a mouse no matter how hard you teach it. And for this reason Valuev will never be an outstanding boxer. He'll get as good as he can and that is still pretty bad. If he'd fight guys his size with his kind of training he'd lose most of the fights.

And if I watch boxing I want to see good boxers not some genetical freaks. If I'd like to see some Giants moving around I'd rather watch WWE or some other wrestling ****.

At the end of the day we all want to see the best athletes facing each other. And Valuev due to his lack of talent will never be one of them.

[Silencer]

Wish that his next fight would be a shot at "The Hugman's" WBA title!!!