How can people say Canelo wasn’t prime at 23 with 43 pro fights..........

[BodyBagz]

We are contextualizing multi weight champions in Canelo and Floyd. GGG didn’t move an ounce except for Rolls. I only say that because they were Middleweights. Btw, even in post Hagler’s era the Super Middleweight division had happened. The fact that his nemesis in SRL actually “initiated” that class means, IMO, that SRL is by far the better fighter than Hagler. I don’t buy into the whole “best Middleweight” stuff. Hard to believe both Duran and SRL went past 12 with Hagler. Hagler is an OG, badass come forward fighter the way Canelo is doing today, but we shouldn’t even be citing Marvin

It's supremely silly to say what 1 or 1000000 people did everyone should and can do too.

Maybe in an alternate universe this debate can get squashed.

[Thuglife Nelo]

It's supremely silly to say what 1 or 1000000 people did everyone should and can do too.

Maybe in an alternate universe this debate can get squashed.

I keep it simple for what we see. I’d say boxing as rather basic than comparing batting average theory from baseball players for what they can or couldn’t do. Boxing is more straight forward and easier to agree with

[Scopedog]

"Prime" just means when the fighter is at his best. Not all fighters peak young and tail off, some peak later. Wouldn't you agree that Canelo's better now than he was back then?

[lfc19titles]

My take on it is he was neither. He was experienced enough where the outcome was legit. Whichever way it went.

Out of curiosity, though
Where would it take place ?



Fellas, PRIMES has to be BOTH guys conditions

People thinking May was born prime and is still prime

Come on man, it doesn’t matter about ring weights to determine if someone was drained or not

the man was eating grass to make weight ffs lol

I get your angle, you want people to say canelo was at his prime and not weight drained but the reality is he was not at his best due to his weight and his age

FYI this was what we call a super fight, you can never find a time to have both canelo and Floyd at their best to fight due to the age gap and weight gap

btw to show I am fair, Margarito for example and Oscar were also weight drained vs pac just like canelo was vs Floyd

Floyd is clearly more skilled to canelo, my reason stating it would have been a 50-50 fight had canelo been at his peak physical condition was only because Floyd would be at a massive disadvantage, he was a welterweight fighting a 154 fighter all. At the end of the day floyds own team said he would be weight drained, at weigh in, go check it out. That should be enough for you

[Doubledagger]

Play along. Canelo is gaining heavy traction, so the Canelo haters aka Floyd slurpers will make such threads pertaining to age 23. We’ve got some fun threads to come for Floyd’s 210lb YouTuber fights, but Floyd wanted 152 when Cotto’s 154 fight predated it.

Floyd wanted 152lbs? Lol, why get yourself caught in a blatant lie mate?

Everyone and their momma knows that it was Canelo's team that offered the 152lbs catchweight when Floyd wasn't even thinking about Canelo.

Floyd called their bluff and accepted then they wined when they got taken to school.

[Doubledagger]

Neither guy was prime BUT Nelo wasn't green either.
No shame in losing to May.

IMHO, the only version of Nelo that beats May is the 160+ version.

It is not a blight on Nelo's record.

Only if they fight at 160, and even then I would bet on Floyd.

If they fight at 154lbs, and its the same Floyd who fought Canelo back then, Canelo would get schooled even worse than before.

Dunno if you've noticed but Floyd has proven to be a great rematch fighter. He also widens the gap in his rematches, just look at Castillo and Maidana rematches.

Plus even if that wasn't the case, you guys are clearly suffering from selective memory.

This is the same guy was was losing every round to Kovalev before the KO, the same guy who went life and death with past prime GGG and arguably lost both times.

Just because he cherry picking british bums and the yildrims of the world yawl have forgetten very quickly that this guy is actuallu not a cut above the rest at all and were it not for the Lara robbery and the ducking of Andrade and Charlo, he could easily have six or seven losses on his record.

[Doubledagger]

Doesn’t have stamina issues at all imo. He is the best power puncher in the game by preference for the crowd. Most other elites would be tired by the 7th if they tried exerting his technique of power.

Canelo does have stamina issues. It was very visible in both GGG fights but GGG was unable to capitalize.

However, that just makes me appreciate his skills and ring IQ even more, and his composure and mental resilience.

Canelo never panics in a fight, even when he is hurt and under fire, he also has good ring generationship, knows when to engage, when to rest, when to circle, when to set traps, and when to attack. His breathing is always calm and of course having a granite chin helps too.

In short, he has found a way to manage his stamina issues and continue to fight effectively.

I believe the stamina issues are the reason most of his fights are always close on the scorecards especially the GGG fights. He should have KO'd GGG in the rematch because he had nailed GGG so hard with body shots and head shots in the first half that GGG was breathing very hard by the sixth round.

But I knew he wouldn't be able to KO him because his tank was half empty too even though he hadn't taken any damage.

Had he had decent stamina he would have finished GGG and GGG definitely would not have been able to rally like he did in the last four rounds.

But you know what, I think he is safe anyway because I noticed that Charlo and Andrade didn't have great stamina at all in their last fights. For them it was new because they have never shown stamina issues before. If it is inactivity its nothing but if it is lack of discipline then Canelo should take those fights asap. After Plant of course.

[Marchegiano]

People pick the most successful part of a mans career to call it prime.

[_Rexy_]

He wasn't Prime, but he sure as **** wasn't "green" like his fans love to claim.

[Doubledagger]

Seems you don't understand how amateur background contributes to experience, and the fact that most Mexicans jump straight to pro fights, as opposed to Americans who have extensive amateur/olympic backgrounds. Canelo was still learning at that time. The more important question is why Floyd drained him instead of fighting him at the weight Canelo was comfortable at.

He was still learning even though he had defeated the previously unbeaten Austin Trout who himself had just schooled legendary fighter and world Champion Miguel Cotto?

Add that he had more pro fights than Floyd at the time, lol.