How can people say Canelo wasn’t prime at 23 with 43 pro fights..........

[Thuglife Nelo]

Neither guy was prime BUT Nelo wasn't green either.
No shame in losing to May.

IMHO, the only version of Nelo that beats May is the 160+ version.

It is not a blight on Nelo's record.

Boxing is about experience and maturity. KNOWING WHEN to strike. Some fans downplay Foreman’s timing against Moorer, but most would agree Big George seen it all and seized the moment to hit Moorer where it counted as the young buck too was getting tired. Canelo’s current defense is based on his experience just like post Floyd became a master defensemen. Floyd was too fast for Canelo back then. That bit of calibration matters. When Floyd would get hit by Canelo even at 152 he was rattled off his feet. It means at 154-155 Canelo could focus more on just countering when Floyd striked, take one to give one, instead of trying to box. However that would only make sense in a rematch if Floyd wanted Canelo’s Middleweight title starting at 155.

[BodyBagz]

Boxing is about experience and maturity. KNOWING WHEN to strike. Some fans downplay Foreman’s timing against Moorer, but most would agree Big George seen it all and seized the moment to hit Moorer where it counted as the young buck too was getting tired. Canelo’s current defense is based on his experience just like post Floyd became a master defensemen. Floyd was too fast for Canelo back then. That bit of calibration matters. When Floyd would get hit by Canelo even at 152 he was rattled off his feet. It means at 154-155 Canelo could focus more on just countering when Floyd striked, take one to give one, instead of trying to box. However that would only make sense in a rematch if Floyd wanted Canelo’s Middleweight title starting at 155.

Again, personally I don't think anyone had an answer for May other than to sell out and bum rush him. I don't think Nelo would have went that route.
In a rematch at 155, I see the same outcome. Maybe Nelo wins more rds than in 1 ?

Nelo is a splendid all round boxer but......

[BodyBagz]

Nelo was definitely more ''green'' than he was ''prime''

But how do we factor in Mays status ?

Where could they have fought if both were at their respective primes ???

[Thuglife Nelo]

Again, personally I don't think anyone had an answer for May other than to sell out and bum rush him. I don't think Nelo would have went that route.
In a rematch at 155, I see the same outcome. Maybe Nelo wins more rds than in 1 ?

Nelo is a splendid all round boxer but......

JCC wasn’t prime against Castillo. I’d say more around the Edwin Rosario fight. How many years and fights were those a part? Or how much difference was there in those two Roger fights?

This is empirical evidence that fighting styles change even in a minimum of 2–3 years.

You can’t assume Canelo would fight the same had Floyd fought Canelo in 2015 at 155. Canelo proved to the world how to fight GGG two different ways. like I said, it ages like fine whine. Canelo just has to keep winning. The doubt from our current time fades out. The theory is about improvement and rematches

[Thuglife Nelo]

Nelo was definitely more ''green'' than he was ''prime''

But how do we factor in Mays status ?

Where could they have fought if both were at their respective primes ???

Floyd isn’t the only fighter to have fought passed 37 years of age,..

[BodyBagz]

JCC wasn’t prime against Castillo. I’d say more around the Edwin Rosario fight. How many years and fights were those a part? Or how much difference was there in those two Roger fights?

This is empirical evidence that fighting styles change even in a minimum of 2–3 years.

You can’t assume Canelo would fight the same had Floyd fought Canelo in 2015 at 155. Canelo proved to the world how to fight GGG two different ways. like I said, it ages like fine whine. Canelo just has to keep winning. The doubt from our current time fades out. The theory is about improvement and rematches

Ok, so where do their PRIME versions fight ?

[BodyBagz]

Floyd isn’t the only fighter to have fought passed 37 years of age,..

But he is the only him.

[Chaos]

When:
Sugar Ray Leonard at 23 with only 26 fights beat prime Wilfred Benitez

Floyd Mayweather at 23 with only 25 fights beat prime Diego Corrales

Muhammad Ali at 22 with only 19 fights knocked out Sonny Liston

Mike Tyson at age 20 became Heavyweight Champion of the World

THAT, is greatness.

Imagine if Mike Tyson had lost his fight to 36 year old Larry Holmes, and then said “but I was only 21, I was too young........”

Instead Tyson finished his ass in 4 rounds.

Canelo fought a 36 year old Floyd who was 15lbs lighter than him, and couldn’t win a single round.......

Canelo is a good fighter, but will never be on the level of Ali, Roy Jones, Tyson, Leonard, Duran, or even May/Pac.

Seems you don't understand how amateur background contributes to experience, and the fact that most Mexicans jump straight to pro fights, as opposed to Americans who have extensive amateur/olympic backgrounds. Canelo was still learning at that time. The more important question is why Floyd drained him instead of fighting him at the weight Canelo was comfortable at.

[BodyBagz]

What were their FIGHT NIGHT weights ?

[lfc19titles]

Canelo was a zombie in that fight, he had no sharpness due to being weight drained, even Floyd snr said before the fight the weight drain would impact canelo a lot

people go to primes at different ages, Floyd was not in his prime at 23 either

the fight would have been 50-50 of it was at 154