Can P4P #8 CRAWFORD walk guys down here forward or does Canelo the only BIDNESS daring to be great?

[Thuglife Nelo]

Bud ain’t gangsta enough. Should be P4P #7

[blowblow]

bud should be #10 imho.

[LeOoze]

bud should be #10 imho.

i may disagree with you on your pac/floyd assessments, but i will always appreciate you ****ting on Dud Crawford

[TernceBudCharlo]

Can't wait to hear until you explain how there are 7 fighters better than Bud out there.

In the other thread you're demanding that we praise BJS for winning a belt in 2 divisions, even though he never really won a belt at 168. But then you refuse to acknowledge that Crawford actually won legit belts in 3 divisions and became undisputed in 1 of them. Hypocrisy exposed.

[blowblow]

i may disagree with you on your pac/floyd assessments, but i will always appreciate you ****ting on Dud Crawford

coz that's how i see it..

[LeOoze]

Can't wait to hear until you explain how there are 7 fighters better than Bud out there.

In the other thread you're demanding that we praise BJS for winning a belt in 2 divisions, even though he never really won a belt at 168. But then you refuse to acknowledge that Crawford actually won legit belts in 3 divisions and became undisputed in 1 of them. Hypocrisy exposed.

Canelo
Pacquiao (does he count? he about retired to me)
Inoue
Spence
Teofimo
Fury, AJ to a lesser extent (not a fan of either at all)
Jermell

Bud, Loma, and GGG are around the same level to me.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Canelo
Pacquiao (does he count? he about retired to me)
Inoue
Spence
Teofimo
Fury, AJ to a lesser extent (not a fan of either at all)
Jermell

Bud, Loma, and GGG are around the same level to me.

How can Pacquiao be above Crawford when he lost his belt to the guy Crawford then took it from in humiliating fashion?

Who did Inoue beat? That guy struggled with a washed up Donaire, you guys give him credit for fighting washed up Donaire but constantly trash Bud for fighting Khan and Brook.

Spence never moved up in weight, his best win is a guy who just got his orbital bone broken by GGG, and then he went 12 rounds with Shawn Porter and still struggled.

Teofimo? For beating a guy much smaller than him at 135? Who had looked vulnerable his last 3 fights? Remember all the **** you guys gave Bud for beating, as stopping, a smaller olympic gold medalist at 135? Difference is that Bud went on to move up in weight, become undisputed, and then move up in weight again and win a belt. Untill Lopez does that he can sit his ass at the back of the line.

Fury has 2 good wins in his career at 1 weight class.

Jermell has a loss to Tony Harrison, arguably lost to Vanes, never beat an elite fighter either.

GGG is the same level as Bud? A guy who never moved up in weight, only has 2 respectable wins, both which were controversial?

Stop the hate.

[Divine Hammer]

bud needs to start eating mexican beef like canelo. maybe then he can shatter faces and ko light heavyweights.

[TernceBudCharlo]

bud needs to start eating mexican beef like canelo. maybe then he can shatter faces and ko light heavyweights.

I find it odd that the much smaller Miguel Cotto ate that exact same upper cut from the exact same forward leaning position many many many times and was fine. But the first time it lands on Billy Ho it shatters it's face.

Until he fails another drug test though I'm not going to say he's dirty.

[LeOoze]

How can Pacquiao be above Crawford when he lost his belt to the guy Crawford then took it from in humiliating fashion?

Who did Inoue beat? That guy struggled with a washed up Donaire, you guys give him credit for fighting washed up Donaire but constantly trash Bud for fighting Khan and Brook.

Spence never moved up in weight, his best win is a guy who just got his orbital bone broken by GGG, and then he went 12 rounds with Shawn Porter and still struggled.

Teofimo? For beating a guy much smaller than him at 135? Who had looked vulnerable his last 3 fights? Remember all the **** you guys gave Bud for beating, as stopping, a smaller olympic gold medalist at 135? Difference is that Bud went on to move up in weight, become undisputed, and then move up in weight again and win a belt. Untill Lopez does that he can sit his ass at the back of the line.

Fury has 2 good wins in his career at 1 weight class.

Jermell has a loss to Tony Harrison, arguably lost to Vanes, never beat an elite fighter either.

GGG is the same level as Bud? A guy who never moved up in weight, only has 2 respectable wins, both which were controversial?

Stop the hate.

Pacquiao's win over Thurman ****S on Bud's entire resume, not just 147 lbs. I know Thurman had a layoff and wasn't the best, but it is a way better win. I never watched the Horn fight personally but most people said Pac won that fight.

Donaire is a legend, future HOFer in my book. Was he in his prime? No, but you're not accounting the fact that Donaire is HUGE for that weight class. Just look at the 2 of them next to each other, Donaire looked like a featherweight compared to tiny ass Inoue. Brook on the other hand was weight drained, had his eye ****ed up TWICE by huge power punchers in GGG, a middleweight, and Spence. Not the same thing at all.

I agree, Spence never moving up in weight makes me a bit reluctant. But Bud has been a welterweight for a couple years now, and he still hasn't done anything close to Spence in the 147 lb division.

Teofimo struggled with Loma because Loma was the top dog in the division. Guess what. Bud also struggled with Gamboa, and got dropped. Nothing wrong with that either, that's what happens when you fight elite opposition. That gamboa fight was 8 years ago though. Bud never beat anyone as good as Gamboa was since then. If Teofimo continues to fight the likes of Kambosos jr his whole career, then yeah I'll start ****ting on him. But right now as a 23 year old, he's doing pretty good so far.

I don't rate Fury that highly but most will agree that the circumstances on how he beat Wilder (2x) and Wlad are better wins than Bud's wins.

I thought Jermell beat Harrison the first time, and then he removed all doubt when he stopped him. Vanes fight was close, but Vanes always gave a tough fight to whoever, same with guys like Derevy. Jermell going undisputed in one of the strongest divisions right now, so I give him a ton of credit.

GGG may be overrated and truly never challenged himself, but yes he has a couple of wins that I rate over Bud. Plus some people think he beat Canelo, and if that's the case, that's way better than Bud's whole resume.