Wilder, Fury and Joshua v Top 2 HW's

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Yes, Sitverne was ranked #2 behind Klitschko and Povetkin. I bring this up constantly, not out of defense to Wilder, but defense to Stiverne. He was a great counter punching heavyweight in his prime. He also stopped David Price in the amateurs.

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He also got a gift win against Derrick Rossey the same year he fought Wilder . Stiverne was never that good , it’s like trying to sell pieces of coal at a ***elry store .

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I mean, he's a top Cruiserweight. His name has carried him into the HW and his WBO title has set him up immediately. Can't knock the guy for trying - I just don't think he's ready for any of the top 3 HW's.

Witherspoon - ok, fine. Chisora, strong performance but I wasn't convinced because Chisora was just wild, as usual. Joyce - meh. Don't want to see it. I honestly think a Ruiz would be a good acid test for at HW before trying to take on Fury, Joshua or possibly Wilder.

Having Wilder a top 3 is an opinion. Wilder will have been out of the ring 2 yrs by the time he fights again .

I see Usyk out boxing and possibly hurting him , I see Joyce bulldozing him , I see Hrgovic manhandling him , I see Whyte as a 50/50 fight .


You can say most aren’t ready for top 2/3 heavyweight guys but it’s not limited to a Usyk ,it also includes the others . It doesn’t actually discredit Usyks abi to get wins just like other heavyweight guys he himself can defeat .

[KingGilgamesh]

So, explain to me again why Usyk is considered a top Heavyweight? I consider him a top Cruiserweight that has made the move up, but hasn't been tested. What's your rationale?

If you go back a few years, Pulev was 100% a top contender. Unbeaten going into a World Title fight with Wlad. That makes him a top contender, by literal definition. I don't rate Pulev to be a great win for Joshua, but its miles better than Pianeta, Seferi, Schwarz and Wallin. Plus its a title defence, something that Fury has never done.

An undefeated cruiserweight undisputed champion who has achieved pretty much more than most of the heavyweight division. There is a reason why he's automatically positioned as mandatory contender. I don't rate Pianeta, Seferi or Wallin either. I do rate Wilder and Wlad so I am not really sure what point you're trying to make. Fury's major wins are sparse, but his major wins are MAJOR wins. Hence the reason why he sits in the P4P rankings unlike the rest of the division. Only a ****ing idiot would sit there pretending that Parker or Ruiz belong anywhere near the top of the divsion. Both of whom struggled with the leftovers of fighters Fury (and even Wilder) beat donkeys years ago.

[OnlytheTruth]

An undefeated cruiserweight undisputed champion who has achieved pretty much more than most of the heavyweight division. There is a reason why he's automatically positioned as mandatory contender. I don't rate Pianeta, Seferi or Wallin either. I do rate Wilder and Wlad so I am not really sure what point you're trying to make. Fury's major wins are sparse, but his major wins are MAJOR wins. Hence the reason why he sits in the P4P rankings unlike the rest of the division. Only a ****ing idiot would sit there pretending that Parker or Ruiz belong anywhere near the top of the divsion. Both of whom struggled with the leftovers of fighters Fury (and even Wilder) beat donkeys years ago.

Yeah, because the WBO give their champs an immediate shot. Its nothing to do with Usyk's fighting ability.

You still haven't given any valid reasons why Usyk is a TOP HEAVYWEIGHT. You've done an amazing job of telling me how good a CRUISERWEIGHT he was.

I never said they are anywhere near the top of the division. The Ring, TBRB, BoxRec, ESPN, Box Live, the WBC, the WBO and the IBF did. In fact, pretty much everyone other than the WBA have both Ruiz and Parker in the 10 top. Wow...and you tell me they are all wrong? Boxing must be one big lie then.

And now you've gone full circle with it. You've just spend however long telling me that Parker and Ruiz struggled with the leftovers of Wilder and Fury - and completely forgotten that Usyk went the distance with Chisora and still remains yet to prove himself at Heavyweight.

Just go back to sleep, man.