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  • Get excited!Nomobums!Did some research & Bud should've been stripped,If Ortiz agrees to espn Bud must fight him or Spence next.


    I decided to research the WBOs rules myself instead of waiting for them to stop dragging their feet. And the rules state clear as day that non hw champs must defend their title every 9 months & not only that but if they don't & fight Bums instead during those 9 months,they are supposed to be stripped even if they agree to fight a mando next,so long as the mando fight isn't immediate. So Crawford has now gone 1.5 yrs since defending his title vs a wbo mando,& has to either face Ortiz or if he claims theres a network dispute he must face Porter instead or Spence. The part thats rediculous is that the WBO leaves an opening for their fighters to duck mandos
    ​​​​​by claiming theres a network dispute & therefore can't fight them.(but in those circumstances they have to fight the next highest rated fighter or another champ if WBO agrees to it.(& With Arum the WBO does his bidding which is why they forced AJ v Pulev for Bob to benefit)

    I for the 1st time in ages though have genuine hope that Crawford will be forced to stop holding that belt hostage & either fight Ortiz,Porter or Spence next.

    as for josesito lopez & his ilk of never has beens that have been being tossed around, thankfully there is zero chance thats next as hes unranked by wbo,& theres nobody ranked close enough to Ortiz & Porter that Bob can have designated mando instead. Also because Bud faced unranked Brook he could get stripped if doesn't defend belt v Ortiz soon enough.


    ​​​​​​ The WBO used to be thought of like the IBO & I think they should still be thought of like the IBO,they are the only org which has rules that say WBO fighters aren't required to submit to yr round random vada testing.(they claim due to cost but its because they cater to 2ndary part time bumslayer champions who don't want vada)

    Do you believe Ortiz/Porter/Spence must be next unless WBO wants to be a laughing stock?(bigger)


    Section​​​​​ 5. DEFENSE OF THE TITLE (a) Each WBO World Champion except in the Heavyweight Division shall defend his title at intervals not greater than nine (9) months counti ng from the date of the acquisition thereof or from the last compulsory defense, as the case may be, in a twelve (12) round fight, against the Mandatory Challenger, as determined by the Championship Committee according to these Regulations, unless an excep tion is made pursuant to these Regulations. For reasons unique to the Heavyweight Division, the WBO World Champion in the Heavyweight Division shall defend his title at intervals not greater than twelve (12) months counting from the date of the acquisition thereof or from the last compulsory defense as the case may be in a twelve (12) round fight, against the Mandatory Challenger, as determined by the Championship Committee according to these Regulations, unless an exception is made pursuant to these Regula tions. (b) In the interim period, the World Champion may defend the title against any contender classified within the fifteen (15) best by the World Boxing Organization, always with the approval of the World Championships Committee. (c) The WBO World Champion ship Committee may, in its discretion, vacate a Champion’s title (including the Heavyweight Division) regardless of cause or fault if the Champion fails to defend his title within a nine (9) month period. This decision will be final unless appealed to the Grievance Committee within ten (10) days of Notification to the Champion as provided for in these Rules. A Champion so stripped of his Title shall be classified using the WBO rating criteria, and he shall be classified in his division or in such other wei ght division as the Classifications Committee for good cause determines, provided that he has complied with the WBO and ABC rating criteria. (d) No WBO Champion may hold WBO titles in more than one Weight Division. If a WBO Champion wins a WBO Championship in a higher or lower division, the WBO Champion shall have Ten (10) Days to determine which Weight Division the WBO Champion will retain. The other Weight Division will be declared vacant. (e) In any circumstance in which a Mandatory Defense does not occur within the designated time period, the World Championship Committee may order an Interim Championship between contenders determined by the World Championship Committee.
    SECTION 6. CHALLENGER (a) The Mandatory Challenger may be selected and determined by the World Championship Committee according to the current list of the bestclassified boxers, promulgated by the WBO Classification Committee. The World Cham pionship Committee shall for good cause designate the date on which the determination of the Mandatory Challenger shall be determined. For the purpose of designating the Mandatory Challenger, the current list of the Classifications is that which corresp onds to the month for which the designation of the Mandatory Challenger is to be made that the World Champion is obliged to defend his Title against the Mandatory Challenger, or any other date in which the World Championship Committee may determine, for ju st cause. (b) (c) (d) When a Champion must make a mandatory defense, the Mandatory Challenger shall be the highest classified available boxer who, in the judgment of the World Championship Committee, best satisfies the following criteria: (1) Has a record acceptable to the World Championship Committee, and who, because of accomplishment and achievement, is recognized by the World Championship Committee as a class boxer; and (2) Complies with the WBO and Association of Boxing Commissions Criteria for the Ratings of Prof essional Boxers; and (3) In the event that the Champion has a contract with a major television network (HBO, SHOWTIME, ZDF, Sky or other similar broadcast company), is an acceptable challenger to the Champion’s television network. A classified boxer may r equest recognition as Mandatory Challenger in writing to the WBO on a form which contain substantially the provisions of the Application for Designation as Mandatory Contender contained on the WBO web site. Alternatively, the Committee may designate a Man datory Challenger based on the above criteria. In either event, the Mandatory Challenger must agree to be subject to and to abide by the Regulations and to be bound to participate in and comply with the results of a purse bid. The World Championship Commit tee may deny a request for recognition based on any of the above referred criteria or because the Champion has an approved unification bout, or an approved unification tournament is scheduled, or if the Champion is contesting the Championship with a WBO Su per Champion or a WBO Champion, or for other good cause. If a fighter is classified higher than the Mandatory Challenger, and is not designated the Mandatory Challenger because of criteria three (3), or for other good cause, the Championship Committee has the authority to order an eliminatory bout between the higher classified boxer or boxers provided that at least one of the elimination bout contestants is considered an acceptable challenger to the Champion’s broadcast

    company.
    The winner of the elimin Challenger. (e) The designation of a Mandatory Challenger creates an obligation on behalf of the Champion to defend against the designated Mandatory Challenger as a condition to the Champion’s retention of the title. This obligation may be subject to modification or extension by the Championship Committee for good cause, such as (but not limited to) participation by the Champion in a unification bout or a unification tournament on such terms and conditions as the Championship Committee approves. The designation of Mandatory Challenger does not create rights in the Challenger, and may be subject to such conditions, modification, or extension as the Championship Committee determines. (f) That a Champion has signed a contract for the defense of his championship, even against a Mandatory Challenger approved and designated by the Committee, shall not of itself constitute compliance with these Regulations, unless the Championship defense actually takes place wit hin the stipulated time period.
    Last edited by kushking; 04-29-2021, 09:14 AM.

  • #2
    They're not going to strip him. Either he loses it, or he vacates.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by revelated View Post
      They're not going to strip him. Either he loses it, or he vacates.
      You have read Bobfathers quotes for years,so you should know how to read between his lines. When Arum concedes publicly that he'll have no choice but to go outside Top Rank for Buds next fight,it means he conceded that Bud will have to fight either Ortiz/Porter/Spence. Bud was being allowed to fight Pac because the rules plainly state as long as the opponent is considered a champ or a more worthy opponent than the mando, he is allowed to request a exception to the mando.

      But now that that fell through Bud/Arum have no choice but 1 of those 3. I can genuinely see Spence being next because its far more worth it for Crawford/Arum than Ortiz/Porter,& even if Bud loses he can still fight Ortiz later & can make tons in rematch that'll surely be guaranteed as well. Remember also that Bob said Buds next fight would either likely be Pac or Spence,& Bob is tired of losing money on Bud (& if he loses to other than Spence that would screw bob over badly)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by kushking View Post

        You have read Bobfathers quotes for years,so you should know how to read between his lines. When Arum concedes publicly that he'll have no choice but to go outside Top Rank for Buds next fight,it means he conceded that Bud will have to fight either Ortiz/Porter/Spence. Bud was being allowed to fight Pac because the rules plainly state as long as the opponent is considered a champ or a more worthy opponent than the mando, he is allowed to request a exception to the mando.

        But now that that fell through Bud/Arum have no choice but 1 of those 3. I can genuinely see Spence being next because its far more worth it for Crawford/Arum than Ortiz/Porter,& even if Bud loses he can still fight Ortiz later & can make tons in rematch that'll surely be guaranteed as well. Remember also that Bob said Buds next fight would either likely be Pac or Spence,& Bob is tired of losing money on Bud (& if he loses to other than Spence that would screw bob over badly)
        Crawford already openly ducked Ortiz, on camera, multiple times.

        Crawford said 50-50 won't work, 60-40 to him or NO FIGHT!!...about Spence.

        Porter recently (I covered it) said he's heard nothing.

        Josesito is not a Top Rank fighter.

        Jesse Vargas is not a Top Rank fighter.

        Sebastian Formella is not a Top Rank fighter.

        Those are our choices at this point.

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        • #5
          Heres the WBO rankings. I just don't see a way outta this for Arum. I remember the amount of hate WBA got for not forcing Canelo vs Smith as mando right away,yet not a single article has been written about the corrupt WBO,the msm needs to get on it & call out the WBO if they don't enforce own rules set in stone.

          1 Vergil Ortiz, Jr. (International) USA
          2 Shawn Porter USA
          3 Mikey Garcia USA
          4 Michael McKinson (WBO Global) UK
          5 Egidijus Kavaliauskas (NABO) LIT
          6 Jaron Ennis USA
          7 Custio Clayton CAN
          8 David Avanesyan RUS
          9 Rashidi Ellis USA
          10 Kudratillo Abdukakhorov UZB
          11 Lewis Crocker (WBO Europe) UK
          12 Yuki Beppu (Asia-Pacific) JPN
          13 Keita Obara JPN
          14 Brian Ceballo (Int-Cont) USA
          15 Janelson Figueroa Bocachica USA

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kushking View Post
            Heres the WBO rankings. I just don't see a way outta this for Arum. I remember the amount of hate WBA got for not forcing Canelo vs Smith as mando right away,yet not a single article has been written about the corrupt WBO,the msm needs to get on it & call out the WBO if they don't enforce own rules set in stone.

            1 Vergil Ortiz, Jr. (International) USA
            2 Shawn Porter USA
            3 Mikey Garcia USA
            4 Michael McKinson (WBO Global) UK
            5 Egidijus Kavaliauskas (NABO) LIT
            6 Jaron Ennis USA
            7 Custio Clayton CAN
            8 David Avanesyan RUS
            9 Rashidi Ellis USA
            10 Kudratillo Abdukakhorov UZB
            11 Lewis Crocker (WBO Europe) UK
            12 Yuki Beppu (Asia-Pacific) JPN
            13 Keita Obara JPN
            14 Brian Ceballo (Int-Cont) USA
            15 Janelson Figueroa Bocachica USA
            Bocachica. Now that's an interesting matchup, to me. Crawford definitely won't take that fight though.

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            • #7
              I thought Porter was mandatory?

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              • #8
                Porter refused to activate his mandatory and gave up his number one ranking.

                Just like Danny Garcia when he was Crawford’s number one contender.

                No one here likes the talk about these facts for some reason, they just move onto the next number one guy and speculate Crawford will duck him.

                Originally posted by _Rexy_ View Post
                I thought Porter was mandatory?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr View Post
                  Porter refused to activate his mandatory and gave up his number one ranking.

                  Just like Danny Garcia when he was Crawford’s number one contender.

                  No one here likes the talk about these facts for some reason, they just move onto the next number one guy and speculate Crawford will duck him.


                  Actually the WBO rules I posted back up what I had told you previously. The WBO rules don't say that Porter can just activate his mando,it says that the WBO board of directors has to decide at their convenience that they give Crawford 60 days to negotiate with the #1 contender,which was Porter,but because the WBO never mandated it it means that Porter hasn't had any right to mando yet,& if they do now mandate Bud to make a mando defense Ortiz is the mando because they'd go off latest rankings. That being said Bomack had said Porter was the mando before(which means theres a possibility the WBO told him behind closed doors he had to negotiate with Porter)(we don't know for sure til WBO makes a statement)

                  It is entirely possible that Porter was never the mando & Bomack assumed he was. (Even if the mando doesn't want the fight,the next highest ranked fighter is supposed to be mandated, unless the WBO decides that the next 2 highest fighters should fight an eliminator for mandatory right)

                  So in conclusion,I believe Porter hasn't activated mandatory because the WBO never gave the order,& now Ortiz is ranked #1,so if WBO finally mandates it then Ortiz is next through no fault of Porters own.(theres also the provision in the rules that says a network contracted fighter(bud) can avoid a mando if theres network dispute,in which case the next highest rated fighter is mando.

                  Add to all this confusion is the fact that because Pac is considered a better fighter/champ it also meant Porter couldn't do anything about Bud fighting Pac instead(which til now was what was next)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kushking View Post
                    Heres the WBO rankings. I just don't see a way outta this for Arum. I remember the amount of hate WBA got for not forcing Canelo vs Smith as mando right away,yet not a single article has been written about the corrupt WBO,the msm needs to get on it & call out the WBO if they don't enforce own rules set in stone.

                    1 Vergil Ortiz, Jr. (International) USA
                    2 Shawn Porter USA
                    3 Mikey Garcia USA
                    4 Michael McKinson (WBO Global) UK
                    5 Egidijus Kavaliauskas (NABO) LIT
                    6 Jaron Ennis USA
                    7 Custio Clayton CAN
                    8 David Avanesyan RUS
                    9 Rashidi Ellis USA
                    10 Kudratillo Abdukakhorov UZB
                    11 Lewis Crocker (WBO Europe) UK
                    12 Yuki Beppu (Asia-Pacific) JPN
                    13 Keita Obara JPN
                    14 Brian Ceballo (Int-Cont) USA
                    15 Janelson Figueroa Bocachica USA
                    I expect McKinson to get the call to fight. They will prop it up like the Global champ and dangerous opponent. It is what they like, undefeated record and the easy UK money.

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