Comments Thread For: Benavidez: Canelo Is Best At 168 Now, I'm The Second-Best; Plant Is Least Of The Champions

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David Benavidez was in a much better position prior to his last fight to plead his case as the best super middleweight in the world. That stance softened the moment he stepped on a scale, weighing nearly three pounds above the 168-pound divisional limit, thus resulting in his becoming a former two-time WBC titlist before the opening bell. Benavidez went on to stop Alexis Angulo after the 10th round of a one-sided affair last August at Mohegan Sun Arena in Uncasville, Connecticut where he returns to embark on a third title run.
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[Combat Talk Radio]

NSB?

Now, you've got all but one of the super middleweights saying that Canelo Alvarez is the best, above them.

Now, you've got basically every super middleweight trashing Plant, who many of you say is this world beater.

What say ye?

[rrayvez]

Is it really a secret to anyone that 168 is a fairly weak division and that’s a primary reason why of the 4 divisions canelo has fought in, this is the one he finally decided he wanted to unify all the belts? That decision was made even easier when Benavidez screwed himself by losing his belt for being overweight.

[ShoulderRoll]

Is it really a secret to anyone that 168 is a fairly weak division and that’s a primary reason why of the 4 divisions canelo has fought in, this is the one he finally decided he wanted to unify all the belts? That decision was made even easier when Benavidez screwed himself by losing his belt for being overweight.

How strong was 140 lbs when Crawford unified there?

If 168 lbs is so weak why hasn't Golovkin thought to move up and unify?

Why are Jermall Charlo and Caleb Plant avoiding Benavidez?

[rrayvez]

How strong was 140 lbs when Crawford unified there?

If 168 lbs is so weak why hasn't Golovkin thought to move up and unify?

Why are Jermall Charlo and Caleb Plant avoiding Benavidez?

what does Crawford, charlo and golovkin have to do with my comment? Does bringing them up disprove what I wrote? Try and stay on topic little buddy.

[rrayvez]

You have to love Canelo. When you get to that level where you're just not losing and beating everyone, that the standards have been raised, even tho you're doing MORE than all the other surrounding fighters. If the critique is that he is cherry picking because he is taking on all undefeated title holders at 168, one by one, who haven't unified those belts with each other because they demand a boat load of money that wasn't there, then you're doing something right.

It's the same damn thing in every division. Unbeaten Belt holders not fighting each other. Pacquiao is the Canelo of 147. If he chose to make being undisputed his goal, he could be the middleman that gets these belts into one person's hands, since crawford and spence aren't doing it. Andrade and Charlo aren't doing it at 160. Just them two unifying would make them the undeniable next best fight for GGG, nevermind Canelo.

At 135, every undefeated guy is NOT fighting one another. Lopez, Garcia, Haney, Tank --- they're all finding ways to go look for opportunities elsewhere in other divisions.

And yet here is Canelo, a MONEY MAN, cherry picking fights Vs all undfeated Title holders lol. When he could just get one belt, hold on to it like they all do, and fight the next best contender of his Title's ranking system.

maybe you have to love Canelo but I certainly don’t. I’ve followed boxing long enough to see through what he’s done. Ever since the Lara fight close to 7 years ago, he has really gone in the direction of minimizing risks. While ggg was a threat, he certainly waited that fight out. Other than that, nearly everyone canelo has fought has either been 35 and older (Cotto, ggg, Kovalev) have come off poor performances in their previous fight where they arguably could’ve lost (Jacobs, smith) , were given handicaps such as rehydration clauses and or short notice (Chavez jr, fielding, Jacobs, Kovalev) , or just weren’t very good (fielding, Yidilgrim, Kirkland Chavez jr).

as far as your other question about who he could’ve fought for belts, when canelo went back to 154 for a title, he picked Liam smith while a rematch with Lara or a match with either charlo bro could’ve happened as they all had belts. At 168, he could’ve went for smith instead of fielding who had a fake belt, but instead he didn’t fight smith for another two years which was after he got beat up by Ryder. At 175, clearly Kovalev was compromised and the weakest option which is why he bailed on that weight class immediately. At 160 he could’ve seriously pursued Andrade to unify as well as faced charlo as a mandatory but he opted for the franchise belt to avoid that. Lastly as I said, he didn’t show any desire to fight for the wbc belt at 168 when Benavidez had it but once the option became that it could be included as a free bee in his fight with smith and the only requirement being he had to fight Yidilgrim, he was suddenly on board. It’s really easy to see through canelos approach and how he minimizes risk. You just have to be paying attention.

[rrayvez]

I stopped reading at "weren't feeling very good". LOL. If you want your posts to be taken seriously, control yourself and don't over do it.

Again, in comparison to all the other surrounding Title holders, he is doing far MORE than they are despite being the one in position of power.

Not to belabor the point, but if the criticism is that he is fighting three undefeated title holders in one year, while none of them are fighting each other, then you are doing something right.

if you stopped reading after I said that fielding, Chavez jr, Yidilgrim and Kirkland weren’t very good, then you must not follow boxing because that’s as accurate as it gets. As far as your other comment about the guys needing a year to prepare, you can exaggerate all you want but smith was given 4 weeks. Kovalev had just fought 10 weeks before facing canelo and was almost stopped in that fight. If you don’t think short notice like that isn’t an issue for someone, you clearly have never boxed , you probably don’t know anyone who has boxed and probably just started following boxing recently.

As far as these undefeated boxers you’re raving about, smith got beat down by a C level fighter in his previous fight, expressed having trouble making 168 and then was given 4 weeks notice. Saunders hasn’t done anything relevant in 3 years and even that was beating a limited David lemieux. Not to mention he has fought more than twice in any year since 2013. He’s inactive and has made himself irrelevant. Plant is ok but unproven. Which is my original point, it’s a fairly weak division and that’s why canelo chose it. Not for nothing but he doesn’t have to fight any black Americans or Mexican/Mexican American fighters to get a belt there and if you don’t think that’s played a role in his choice, you know even less about boxing than I already believe you do.

[Oldskoolg]

I stopped reading at "weren't feeling very good". LOL. If you want your posts to be taken seriously, control yourself and don't over do it.

Again, in comparison to all the other surrounding Title holders, he is doing far MORE than they are despite being the one in position of power.

Not to belabor the point, but if the criticism is that he is fighting three undefeated title holders in one year, while none of them are fighting each other, then you are doing something right.

What’s this about “posts taken seriously?” By whom? I enjoyed that post it’s a different thought process than the normal boxingscene “you don’t worship Canelo? You suck! You’re a b***h!” rubbish we generally see in the comments by the usual internet trolls.

[xEcto1x]

Tell me, what is the built in excuse for Saunders who has until may to get ready, and for Plant who has all the way to September to train for his biggest fight. I guess with plant it will be that he wasn't inactive and needed a tune-up as well as more experience. LOL

168 has no unified champions, no champions with even a signature win to be honest, none with an even commendable number of defenses. One champion (former) hasn't shown enough discipline to maintain his belt, another is a blown up middleweight who can't stay in shape well enough so chooses to fight at 168 (Canelo's next opponent), the other is arguably the best in the division but hasn't stepped in the ring with anyone of note (Plant) and then you have Smith who was honestly beaten up by Rider and deserved to lose. 168 is a weak division. Honestly the weakest from 154-175. But it's okay, Canelo is fighting at a comfortable weight for him and I respect his regularity of fighting especially since it's on DZN and his fights are cheap to watch. But the guy made a good point initially. It's okay to agree around here.

[rrayvez]

Tell me, what is the built in excuse for Saunders who has until may to get ready, and for Plant who has all the way to September to train for his biggest fight. I guess with plant it will be that he wasn't inactive and needed a tune-up as well as more experience. LOL

I didn’t say they were given short notice but that doesn’t change the fact that others were, or my original stance that 168 is a weak division. Matter of fact, from light weight all the way up to heavyweight, it’s arguably the worst division as far as champions go, other than maybe cruiser weight.