Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Estrada-Chocolatito, Pacquiao, Shields, More

[Doubledagger]

It's funny how the guy who asked about Canelo and black fighters, doesn't bring up Jacobs, Trout, Kirkland, ect. I guess those fighters are not black.... People love to pick and choose, leave information out to make their point. And by the way, Andrade is the only one of these fighters that is kinda slick, but him being a tall south paw is what makes him more tricky than slick, Charlo is not slick, Saunders and Plant are much more slick, as far as boxing ability.

Trout was before Mayweather and Lara. You don't even understand the context of the conversation.

Canelp lost to Mayweather and got a controversial win over Lara where most people thought he lost. The conversation was that after those fights he never fought the top black, urban style fighters.

Jacobs was good but nobody thought he was better than Charlo or Andrade. Everyone wanted the Charlo or Andrade fights.

its like if Spence fights Ugas next. Its a very good fight and its a unfication fight, but nobody except Ugas fans wants to see that fight, they want Crawford because Crawford is simply better than Ugas. Samw with Jacobs, Charlo and Andrade are simply the better, more talented fighters, which is precisely why they are being ducked by their peers and Jacobs isn't.

I won't even justify the Kirkland thing, I mean, come on dude.

[Doubledagger]

Tony Weeks and especially Floyd Bayless Jr. I think aren't good referees.

Agreed. Tony Weeks doesn't enforce the rules at all and Bayless is strict beyond reason.

[Doubledagger]

Exactly. Erislandy Lara and Daniel Jacobs were black fighters last time I checked, and Canelo fought them AFTER he fought Floyd.

Some of the guys who write into the mailbag have an obvious agenda but they're just emotional, they don't come with actual logical facts.

I'm glad Bread at least checked him by bringing up Lara.

But they were not recognised as the best black fighters available. Nobody wanted to see those fights more than they wanted either of the Charlos or Andrade in there with Canelo.

That is a fact that Canelo cherry picked the weaker black fighters after Lara because he knows the elite ones like Charlo and Andrade could expose him again.

[Doubledagger]

He is but I don't think it's him??? I can't see him dominating MW...

The guy is huge for welterweight he is a 5'11 welterweight. Why wouldn't he be able to dominate middleweight?

Heck, he should be a middleweight already.

There is also the fact that Breadman has also said those exact words about Ennis before, except that time he didn't shy away from mentioning his name.

I think that time he mentioned Ennis's name because Ennis wasn't known at the time, it was like over two years ago when Bread said the exact same thing he just said about him, but now that Ennis is known already and is seemingly being pushed forward by pbc, he feels he needs to wait and see first.

Ennis is having a litmus test in his next fight. If he passes that test spectacularly I think we will see Bread open up again.

[Shadoww702]

The guy is huge for welterweight he is a 5'11 welterweight. Why wouldn't he be able to dominate middleweight?

Heck, he should be a middleweight already.

There is also the fact that Breadman has also said those exact words about Ennis before, except that time he didn't shy away from mentioning his name.

I think that time he mentioned Ennis's name because Ennis wasn't known at the time, it was like over two years ago when Bread said the exact same thing he just said about him, but now that Ennis is known already and is seemingly being pushed forward by pbc, he feels he needs to wait and see first.

Ennis is having a litmus test in his next fight. If he passes that test spectacularly I think we will see Bread open up again.

Good points and guess who fights April 10th...

[ShoulderRoll]

But they were not recognised as the best black fighters available. Nobody wanted to see those fights more than they wanted either of the Charlos or Andrade in there with Canelo.

That is a fact that Canelo cherry picked the weaker black fighters after Lara because he knows the elite ones like Charlo and Andrade could expose him again.

Jacobs beat Golovkin according to British and Mexican tv commentators. How was he not one of the best black fighters? You just want to minimize Danny because Canelo fought and beat him.

Jermall Charlo turned down a generous offer to fight Canelo, according to both Jermell Charlo and Oscar de la Hoya. How is that Canelo's fault? You aren't avoiding a guy if you're sending him offers and getting turned down.

So the facts are that after the Mayweather fight Canelo fought Lara and Jacobs, and sent an offer to Charlo which was rejected. Doesn't seem like he's avoiding the top black, urban style fighters to me.

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Which special, 'never seen better in a gym' fighter is he talking about? Boots Ennis? I don't think he fights next month.

It's Jaron Ennis.

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Jacobs beat Golovkin according to British and Mexican tv commentators. How was he not one of the best black fighters? You just want to minimize Danny because Canelo fought and beat him.

Jermall Charlo turned down a generous offer to fight Canelo, according to both Jermell Charlo and Oscar de la Hoya. How is that Canelo's fault? You aren't avoiding a guy if you're sending him offers and getting turned down.

So the facts are that after the Mayweather fight Canelo fought Lara and Jacobs, and sent an offer to Charlo which was rejected. Doesn't seem like he's avoiding the top black, urban style fighters to me.

No way in hell Jacobs beat GGG, regardless of what some biased commentators may have said. At most you can give Jacobs 6 rounds, which means he loses because of the KD.

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No way in hell Jacobs beat GGG, regardless of what some biased commentators may have said. At most you can give Jacobs 6 rounds, which means he loses because of the KD.

Why would Mexican and British boxing commentators be biased against Golovkin?

[Doubledagger]

Jacobs beat Golovkin according to British and Mexican tv commentators. How was he not one of the best black fighters? You just want to minimize Danny because Canelo fought and beat him.

Jermall Charlo turned down a generous offer to fight Canelo, according to both Jermell Charlo and Oscar de la Hoya. How is that Canelo's fault? You aren't avoiding a guy if you're sending him offers and getting turned down.

So the facts are that after the Mayweather fight Canelo fought Lara and Jacobs, and sent an offer to Charlo which was rejected. Doesn't seem like he's avoiding the top black, urban style fighters to me.

Jacobs was a cherry pick gone wrong for GGG. Also Canelo put weight restrictions on Jacobs and didn't allow him to rehydrate after the fight, same as with Kovalev.

Finally, Charlo denied that he was sent an offer, so there is no point in even discussing this. Its a he said she said scenario.

Only way to prove who is lying is for someone to leak the alleged contract, but at the same time it can't be leaked if it doesn't even exist.