Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo, Adrien Broner, Dirrell-Davis, More

[Thuglife Nelo]

Which of these fighters did VADA? I can see ''injection'' marks in Roy and Floyd.

if you watch the video , they actually show the injection sites on canelo where he’d inject himself. Uhhh ohhhhhhh

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Which of these fighters did VADA? I can see ''injection'' marks in Roy and Floyd.

so perhaps they’re all cheaters. Still doesn’t clear the guy you worship with all your heart for wrong doing and serious reason to suspect foul play.

[Alan Smithee]

I see there are plenty of Bread haters still around. The P4P debate is just that, a debate. Who is the clear #!? There isn't one and that is how Bread answered. Fanboy logic does not change anything. It is a fact that the "money" fighters can get quality opponents to fight them. It's the business side of the game. I respect the skills of both Canelo and Crawford! Who will go down in history as the better fighter? Only time will tell! Right now it's too close to call!

[Thuglife Nelo]

so perhaps they're all cheaters.

I havent seen pics of Canelo with dots on his abs like RJJ or Floyd doe. You posted some ****** ass youtube video

[Thuglife Nelo]

I see there are plenty of Bread haters still around. The P4P debate is just that, a debate. Who is the clear #!? There isn't one and that is how Bread answered. Fanboy logic does not change anything. It is a fact that the "money" fighters can get quality opponents to fight them. It's the business side of the game. I respect the skills of both Canelo and Crawford! Who will go down in history as the better fighter? Only time will tell! Right now it's too close to call!

The problem isn’t that. It’s just funny that in all these debates Breadman just casually sneaks in a Q&A about Canelo and PEDS when it’s about Canelo vs Crawford. Bread’s LDBC. It’s obvious he has an agenda

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I havent seen pics of Canelo with dots on his abs like RJJ or Floyd doe. You posted some ****** ass youtube video

your YouTube video was even more ******. The one I posted had actual pics tires and pointed to the injection sites of multiple people, including canelo. You can ingjorenitnif it you want but I know deep down inside, you’re crying and this is the equivalent of when you found out Santa clause wasn’t real.

[ShoulderRoll]

1. The article you posted literally has the word steroid in it.

And it also literally says that trenbolone is similar to clenbuterol.

2. still not related to athletes. I didn’t say it wasn’t a problem but the amount of athletes it’s impacted and specifically boxers is very low around the time frame within a couple of yrs that it happened to canelo. There’s actually a video of Angulo laughing at the people who believed canelos meat story.

This only happened to Canelo one time and he took actions to remedy it. It hasn't happened since. Angulo isn't a chemist so I don't see why his opinion would be especially relevant.

3. there’s more reason to believe he cheated than there is to believe it was an accident.

That's your opinion. But so far you haven't given any proof that he cheated deliberately. All we know for a fact is that he tested positive for clenbuterol, that the amounts were consistent with eating tainted meat, and that Mexico has a legitimate problem with clenbuterol being used in the beef industry.

4 you are aware that canelo only signed up for Vada 2 months or so before his rematch with ggg. Not like he was clean for a full year. It’s known that after using substances, it helps an attempted training threshold and can still be beneficial even after it’s out of their system.

He also only tested positive a few months before his rematch with GGG. No drug tests failures before that. And he signed to do VADA for his training camp for the rematch which was the most that he could do at that point.

5. Canelo was in vada 24/7 for one year and stopped after his Jacobs fight. After that it was just fine in the weeks before a fight and as I said , his fights after that were all short notice, based on his doing.

So Canelo did 24/7 VADA up to Jacobs and then also did VADA testing a few months later for the Kovalev fight. Then did more VADA testing for Callum Smith and Yildirim. And has come up clean each time. I don't see what the issues is...as I said before most of the top boxers don't even do that yet I don't see you going after any of them.

He stopped for a long stretch in 2020 but that was due to the pandemic and to the beef with Golden Boy/DAZN/"premium opponents." None of which were his doing.

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And it also literally says that trenbolone is similar to clenbuterol.




This only happened to Canelo one time and he took actions to remedy it. It hasn't happened since. Angulo isn't a chemist so I don't see why his opinion would be especially relevant.




That's your opinion. But so far you haven't given any proof that he cheated deliberately. All we know for a fact is that he tested positive for clenbuterol, that the amounts were consistent with eating tainted meat, and that Mexico has a legitimate problem with clenbuterol being used in the beef industry.




He also only tested positive a few months before his rematch with GGG. No drug tests failures before that. And he signed to do VADA for his training camp for the rematch which was the most that he could do at that point.




So Canelo did 24/7 VADA up to Jacobs and then also did VADA testing a few months later for the Kovalev fight. Then did more VADA testing for Callum Smith and Yildirim. And has come up clean each time. I don't see what the issues is...as I said before most of the top boxers don't even do that yet I don't see you going after any of them.

He stopped for a long stretch in 2020 but that was due to the pandemic and to the beef with Golden Boy/DAZN/"premium opponents." None of which were his doing.

1. That article is irrelevant. It’s not clen so it’s pointless.
2. He got caught one time. You have no clue how long he was doing it before he got caught. As I said, that was the first time vada tested him in Mexico and furthest out from a fight they tested him and what a wild coincidence, that’s when he got caught. Are you really going to be this gullible? And what he did to remedy it? He signed up for vada 24/7 , he did it for a year, told the world he was doing vada and then never uttered a word when he discontinued doing it. Nothing shady there right ?
3. How many cheaters come out and admit that they cheated deliberately, ever? They all have excuses and denials. Some people choose to believe the excuses, others know better.
4. canelo did vada 24/7 and then went over 4 months with no testing. Plenty of time to cheat and cycle off if he wanted to. Then no vada for a full year and only began testing 4 weeks before the smith fight. Full year to cheat and cycle off if he wanted to.

look, you can believe what you want but to me, when you take into account everything that’s happened including canelo being able to make 155 for so long and saying he needed time to move into 160, but then after getting caught for clen, only being able to make 160 twice more and only having a total of 3 fights at mw? I think it’s pretty clear he took it to cut weight and enhance his training. If you wanna believe the bad burrito story cool, but stop trying to convince others that we should just absolve him of any doubt.

[ruedboy]

When Breadman mentioned Castillo vs Page as a brutal fight, he was half right. The fight was brutal, but Page's opponent was Jose Luis Lopez, not Castillo.

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1. That article is irrelevant. It’s not clen so it’s pointless.
2. He got caught one time. You have no clue how long he was doing it before he got caught. As I said, that was the first time vada tested him in Mexico and furthest out from a fight they tested him and what a wild coincidence, that’s when he got caught. Are you really going to be this gullible? And what he did to remedy it? He signed up for vada 24/7 , he did it for a year, told the world he was doing vada and then never uttered a word when he discontinued doing it. Nothing shady there right ?
3. How many cheaters come out and admit that they cheated deliberately, ever? They all have excuses and denials. Some people choose to believe the excuses, others know better.
4. canelo did vada 24/7 and then went over 4 months with no testing. Plenty of time to cheat and cycle off if he wanted to. Then no vada for a full year and only began testing 4 weeks before the smith fight. Full year to cheat and cycle off if he wanted to.

look, you can believe what you want but to me, when you take into account everything that’s happened including canelo being able to make 155 for so long and saying he needed time to move into 160, but then after getting caught for clen, only being able to make 160 twice more and only having a total of 3 fights at mw? I think it’s pretty clear he took it to cut weight and enhance his training. If you wanna believe the bad burrito story cool, but stop trying to convince others that we should just absolve him of any doubt.

You can believe what you want as well. If you choose to always think the worst of Canelo and never give him the benefit of the doubt that's certainly your prerogative.

But he tested positive only one time, and you have no proof that he used clenbuterol deliberately or that he had been doing it many times before.

It would be nice to see you keep that same energy towards other boxers who no-show on drug testing day or who don't do VADA at all etc. But you never seem to for some reason.