Who have you lost respect for more, Pavlik or Haye?

[PittyPat]

Haye. At least Pavlik has fought 4 times since the start of 2008 - Haye only twice, and hardly any rounds. He's certainly going the right way to establishing himself as one of boxing's biggest frauds.

[Dave Rado]

Haye. At least Pavlik has fought 4 times since the start of 2008 - Haye only twice, and hardly any rounds. He's certainly going the right way to establishing himself as one of boxing's biggest frauds.

Will you still say that if he KOs Valuev?

[VipersThunder]

I have to go with Haye. At least Pavlik got his ass kicked before he crumbled. David Haye crumbled at the thought of a fight.

[Klitschko2011]

Hypejob Haye wore ridiculous severed head t-shirts and talked **** about the Klitschkos for 18 months and then he BITCHES OUT TWICE. Haye is the biggest coward in boxing, he's a ****ing fraud and a disgrace.

[dc6112]

Hypejob Haye wore ridiculous severed head t-shirts and talked **** about the Klitschkos for 18 months and then he BITCHES OUT TWICE. Haye is the biggest coward in boxing, he's a ****ing fraud and a disgrace.

agree with this 100%. Pavlik may be accused of being classless at times but he never showed the personal disrespect and arrogance Haye has shown, before backing out of the fight with the same opponent he disrespected, along with the man's brother.

[sylvestersweet]

I voted for Pavlik, he was one of my fave fighters, now I hope he loses to Williams. He ducked Abraham, the only fight in his division worth making and keeps repeatedly pulling out of the Williams fight. Then, he re-signs with Top Rank, showing that he likes the way they are managing his career and lining him up to fight guys like Sergio Mora.
Haye pulled out of the fight for a reason at least, one his back was hurt, and two he was unhappy with all the concessions he would have to make (i.e. rematching the Klitschkos twice). He probably figured if he fought Valuev and won the world title he'd have a better bargaining chip. I think it was ****** for him to pull out because now the fight will probably never happen between him and the Klitschkos but at least he didn't blatantly duck, because the Klitschkos aren't moving up in weight like Abraham.

[PittyPat]

Will you still say that if he KOs Valuev?

No, I won't. Like anyone who enjoys boxing, I'll go nuts if he does the impossible. But even in doing that, he'll still have a way to go in order to prove himself worthy at HW - stopping the useless giant will say something, but he'll have to beat the real champs in the end. If he were to soundly defeat either Klitschko, or both, then I'd hold him in high regard.

Until he does any of the above, even with his CW credentials behind him, I can't help but label him a fraud.

[Dave Rado]

No, I won't. Like anyone who enjoys boxing, I'll go nuts if he does the impossible. But even in doing that, he'll still have a way to go in order to prove himself worthy at HW - stopping the useless giant will say something, but he'll have to beat the real champs in the end. If he were to soundly defeat either Klitschko, or both, then I'd hold him in high regard.

Until he does any of the above, even with his CW credentials behind him, I can't help but label him a fraud.

Until he does any of the above, or fails to do so, the jury is still out. You're implicitly admitting, that when you say that if he KOs Valuev, you'll no longer consider him one. If he can theoretically change your mind about that as soon as November this year, then by definition, the jury is still out, until November.

I do agree though that even if he does KO Valuev, he won't then be able to rest on his laurels, he'll have to KO Ruiz after that, and then go after one of the Klits. But it's still far too early to definitively call him a fraud. He's lost a lot of standing in the last couple of months, but he can still get it back. November is the crunch for him.

Similarly, the Williams fight, if it can still be saved, is the crunch for Pavlik.

[JM1]

voted haye. hes a joke

[DiLLiNGER]

voted haye. hes a joke

cosign,after so much trash talk he ran from the klitchkos like a rabbit!