Vernon Forrest's Killers To Face The Death Penalty

[Glamour Puss]

they wouldn't serve time in jail, they'd waste the rest of their life in there

btw, death penalty doesn't scare a murderer or prevents a crime. people who don't care about murdering don't care how they end up either. "The only ones who should kill are those prepared to be killed"

prison sentences aren't made to scare off people, they're made to try and "measure" a punishment that serves not only to have a safe society, but to try and reform those who commit the offense or crime. if it's impossible, then you exclude them from society. if they like being excluded in jail for the rest of their lives, then good for them

Wrong as usual.

For graphic examples of this see Saudi Arabia and Singapore.

When criminals know that a government doesn't *** around w/ appeals bull****, the crime rate drops to almost 0.

Death sentences in the U.S are bull****, it usually means you end up on death row for at least 20 years.

Of course nobody here fears that.

[fdotorres]

Wrong as usual.

For graphic examples of this see Saudi Arabia and Singapore.

When criminals know that a government doesn't *** around w/ appeals bull****, the crime rate drops to almost 0.

Death sentences in the U.S are bull****, it usually means you end up on death row for at least 20 years.

Of course nobody here fears that.

that's like saying that marihuana should be legalized because less youngsters smoke there than here in the US

we're talking about USA, not saudi arabia and singapore. prove your point with graphics from the US if you want to prove anything

wanna play the taking things out of context game? here's a fact: states that employ death penalty have higher murder rates that states that don't employ it

[Glamour Puss]

that's like saying that marihuana should be legalized because less youngsters smoke there than here in the US

we're talking about USA, not saudi arabia and singapore. prove your point with graphics from the US if you want to prove anything

wanna play the taking things out of context game? here's a fact: states that employ death penalty have higher murder rates that states that don't employ it

Its not being taken out of context. Its a real world example of systems that aren't bogged down with bull**** legal systems.

A genuine death penalty that is carried out swiftly is effective for the same reason mutually assured destruction works between nuclear powers.

When you create a legitimate fear in someone their behavior changes.

The problem with the U.S death penalty is that its perceived as a life sentence rather than a death penalty.

Your last quote is just ******ed, like most everything you say. Not a shock considering your just 21.

When I saw that yesterday, it explained a lot so I've come not to expect much sophistication from you.

[fdotorres]

Its not being taken out of context. Its a real world example of systems that aren't bogged down with bull**** legal systems.

A genuine death penalty that is carried out swiftly is effective for the same reason mutually assured destruction works between nuclear powers.

When you create a legitimate fear in someone their behavior changes.

The problem with the U.S death penalty is that its perceived as a life sentence rather than a death penalty.

Your last quote is just ******ed, like most everything you say. Not a shock considering your just 21.

When I saw that yesterday, it explained a lot so I've come not to expect much sophistication from you.

you're trying to use age as a measuring point for maturity on a forum? most forums are viewed as hobbies for youngsters and kids, so what does that say about you? you see, everything can be taken out of context, just like you do

my last quote isn't ******ed; it's a proven fact. states without death penalty have less murder rates. need a link?

when you create fear in the people, you're not living on a truly civilized, ********ic society. things aren't done that way

btw, it's really funny that you act all grown up and mature, yet you're the one throwing insults like a boy on puberty. seriously, THINK a bit if you're gonna go through here acting like a "grown up"

[street bully]

you're trying to use age as a measuring point for maturity on a forum? most forums are viewed as hobbies for youngsters and kids, so what does that say about you? you see, everything can be taken out of context, just like you do

my last quote isn't ******ed. it's a proven fact. states without death penalty have less murder rates. need a link?

btw, it's really funny that you act all grown up and mature, yet you're the one throwing insults like a boy on puberty. seriously, THINK a bit if you're gonna go through here acting like a "grown up"

Bro, you can get random articles that say anything. Bring in academic peer reviewed journal articles, no older than 2006.

[fdotorres]

Bro, you can get random articles that say anything. Bring in academic peer reviewed journal articles, no older than 2006.

as i said, i'm using his same fallacy. i'm just taking random facts out of context to "strengthen" my argument

when he decides to argue the way it is, i shall do the same

since you're not acting like an ass, here's one for you:
http://www.opposingviews.com/article...r-murder-rates

here's an older one:

http://tech.mit.edu/V117/N51/ring.51c.html

[Glamour Puss]

as i said, i'm using his same fallacy. i'm just taking random facts out of context to "strengthen" my argument

when he decides to argue the way it is, i shall do the same

Its no fallacy. I showed two real world systems that work. You don't believe in them so you call it a fallacy.

Thats your problem. But people don't even litter in Singapore cuz' they know the government means business.

You don't believe in the death penalty, we get it.

But that doesn't mean that countries who carry it out properly don't have a lower crime rate.

Your example of states is not only unfounded, but even if it were correct, it is not due the the lack of effectiveness of the death penalty itself but for the legal system which renders it impotent.

[fdotorres]

Its no fallacy. I showed two real world systems that work. You don't believe in them so you call it a fallacy.

Thats your problem. But people don't even litter in Singapore cuz' they know the government means business.

You don't believe in the death penalty, we get it.

But that doesn't mean that countries who carry it out properly don't have a lower crime rate.

Your example of states is not only unfounded, but even if it were correct, it is not due the the lack of effectiveness of the death penalty itself but for the legal system which renders it impotent.

real world systems that work? so you actually believe that spreading fear among societies is a good thing?

and yeah, my statement is true. as it is true that death penalty has no deterrent effect. it's never had any in any 1st world countries, that's why only about 3 of them still have death penalty.

really? unless you think that you know more than doctors and experts on this, you're pretty much alone in thinking that it has any deterrent effect whatsoever

[Glamour Puss]

real world systems that work? so you actually believe that spreading fear among societies is a good thing?

and yeah, my statement is true. as it is true that death penalty has no deterrent effect. it's never had any in any 1st world countries, that's why only about 3 of them still have death penalty.

unless you think that you know more than doctors and experts on this, you're pretty much alone in thinking that it has any deterrent effect whatsoever

The reasons the death penalty has been removed in first world countries are always political, not scientific.

And yes, I believe that within a criminal justice system legitimate fear is a necessity.

Without it, society descends into barbarism. Much like you see in the United States and the rest of the so called civilized world.

Criminals know that they will get counseling and a slap on the wrist rather than real dire circumstances for their actions.

My nuclear deterrent was a classic example of how fear is effective. But you ignored it.

I've addressed the bold already giving you two real world examples where it works pretty damn well.

[street bully]

as i said, i'm using his same fallacy. i'm just taking random facts out of context to "strengthen" my argument

when he decides to argue the way it is, i shall do the same

since you're not acting like an ass, here's one for you:
http://www.opposingviews.com/article...r-murder-rates

here's an older one:
http://tech.mit.edu/V117/N51/ring.51c.html

Hpmie. Those aren't peer reviewed academic journals....They're articles, also one is written by amnesty international.