Valero vs. Sotto on Nov. 14 is back on???

[MANGLER]

Make this fight. I like Soto in a war.

[Stoppage]

I just wanna see Valero back in the ring. He's a good puncher which makes fights exciting.

[MOREBASS]

OK, Im ready to hear everyone rip Pac as a megastar since there putting this fight on. I mean, everyone ripped Floyd for having a good undercard by saying that this proves he cant sell crap so they need to stack the card. What does this prove about Pac then since this fight is way better than any fight on both undercards?

The truth is what I said from the jump. Instead of ripping Floyd just to rip him, you should be praising him because he's the #1 guy responsible for bringing stacked cards back to boxing. I said that in the "is Floyd saving boxing" thread where I talked about how the 24/7 show is making fights huge which was Floyd's idea and now he is stacking undercards which will be great for boxing. Dont tell me that it wasnt Floyd either because GBP has been out there for years and have had the worst undercards in the world but when Floyd gets on it then he tries to bring guys like Zab in who was supposed to be the 1st fight named on the undercard. Dont tell me that wasnt Floyd. Give the man his props for this stuff. This is making boxing great but no one wants to admit it

I see the point you are trying to make, but I think boxing's recently more stacked and quality cards have more to do with the competition that they face from the UFC.

Before the UFC started having the level of success that it has in the past couple of years, fight fans did not really have another option to get their fight fixes besides boxing.

This is the reason why boxing promoters were able to put a bunch of mismatches and ****ty cards, coupled with one good main event fight, and people would essentially have to pay to see one good fight.

Now, with the UFC often offering several quality fights for less money, people have an option and a lot of the time feel like they get more **** for their buck with the UFC fights.

Fast forward to 2009, and we as fans are finally getting to see more quality fights on one card in boxing than we have in recent times.

[DLT]

I see the point you are trying to make, but I think boxing's recently more stacked and quality cards have more to do with the competition that they face from the UFC.

Before the UFC started having the level of success that it has in the past couple of years, fight fans did not really have another option to get their fight fixes besides boxing.

This is the reason why boxing promoters were able to put a bunch of mismatches and ****ty cards, coupled with one good main event fight, and people would essentially have to pay to see one good fight.

Now, with the UFC often offering several quality fights for less money, people have an option and a lot of the time feel like they get more **** for their buck with the UFC fights.

Fast forward to 2009, and we as fans are finally getting to see more quality fights on one card in boxing than we have in recent times.

No doubt UFC is making things difficult but GBP & Top Rank have had the worst PPV undercards in history. They are always terrible and they con people. Everyone who's with the Floyd-JMM fight says that Mayweather Promotions is the co promoter and I just find it highly coincedental that all this undercard stuff starts at this time. You can just feel Floyd & his people coming in and saying that they want a good undercard and they want there boy Zab on there. I bet that got the ball rolling to say that you guys may have to take less than a normal fight but you will more than make up for it with the exposure you get from fighting on PPV under a big main event. UFC has been doing big for awhile now but no one in boxing stepped up. Even if it was about the UFC, I could see Floyd being the one to step up after his battles with Dana White and saying that we need to give the fans more and make better undercards.

[Sorbetero]

i really want this fight to happen

[wichito_one]

This would be a great fight anywhere **** even a headliner in boxing after dark series would be perfect. This fight just needs to happen soon.

[supRa]

Man this is a match!!!!!!
WaR soto!!!!!!

[warp1432]

VALERO-SOTO

Another fight on Arum's mind is a match between lightweight titlist Edwin Valero and junior lightweight beltholder Humberto Soto. If you've seen either guy fight, you know it has the makings of a terrific slugfest.

Arum wants it to be the co-feature on Nov. 14 on the Miguel Cotto-Manny Pacquiao HBO PPV card at the MGM Grand.

"We believe we will be able to make Valero against Soto," Arum told me this week. "That's the fight I want to make."

A few weeks ago, Arum said he hoped to make the match eventually but would probably have each man in separate Nov. 14 bouts. Now, he's changed his mind.

"What changed was I didn't want to do separate opponents because then I have (expletive)," he said. "They should fight each other."

Arum had to convince Fernando Beltran, his partner on Soto and Valero, to support the fight. "My argument to him was, 'Look at the landscape. If Manny beats Cotto, the winner of Valero-Soto could very well be the next opponent for Manny,'" Arum said. "I think Manny fighting the winner at 140 pounds would still do 400,000 or 500,000 [pay-per-view] buys coming off this fight and that is enough to feed everybody."

Before Arum can finalize the fight, Valero needs to be licensed in Nevada. That process is expected to start next week, now that Nevada has amended a rule and will now allow fighters who have suffered a cerebral hemorrhage to apply for a license.

"If he's licensed, it looks like we can make the fight," Arum said. "To do it on the undercard of a big match like [Cotto-Pacquiao] is tremendous."

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Arum lied his ass off and it worked. There's no way Arum is going to match Valero or Soto against Pacquiao when he has Mayweather-Marquez's winner or Shane Mosley out there

[Iceta]

I will order this card likely if Arum is serious about this. A Valero-Soto fight would be a war while it lasted, but I think Soto gets it done and knocks Valero out.

[El Angel]

Would make Cotto-Pacquiao's undercard closer to Mayweather-Marquez. I think Daniel Santo vs Yuri Foreman is already on the Cotto-Pac undercard.