UFC 101 buyrate, JMM/PBF, and the PPV business itself

[DC Fight Fan]

Once again you're missing the point. The point is that this is why boxing should change. Not reasons why they can't be compared. The UFC doesn't need "mega-fights" because the quality of the product they put out is better. Boxing needs to follow suit.

The quality of the product they put out is better? Did you see Silva/Griffin?

Seriously, who are we to tell a fighter how much they are worth? If Pac can demand 20 million and someone wants to pay it, I say hooray for Manny! Where in the world do you think the money comes from to pay for a fight the level of Cotto/Pac?

PPV Revenue

Casino Site Fee - by the way this is the key. Boxing fans will gamble much more money than UFC fans and the casinos know it. Therefore they will pay a much higher site fee for the mega boxing match than they ever would for a UFC event because they know their gaming revenues and the end of the week end are going to be enormous!

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Imagine the UFC having an event where they had to pay off 40 million in purses!

[MOREBASS]

You are completely missing the point and continuing to compare apples to oranges. Sure boxing did more PPV's when you add in the small time promoter funded PPV events. I am comparing mega fight PPV's against the UFC's 12 a year. Boxing's mega fights generate much more money and cost much more money. Therefore, they can not do them as often as UFC does their mega fights monthly. The purses for the fighters are much higher in mega fights and the A list fighters do not fight as often.

And okay 25 million mexicans watched a free event of UFC. How many would watch PBFM/JMM if it were free to them? I assure you it would be a hell of a lot more than 25 million. Get off Dana's nuts. He has you hook line and sinker

Apples to oranges?

A PPV buy is a PPV buy is a PPV buy. I don't see how a PPV from a smaller show is any different from a PPV buy from a larger show (besides the price obviously) but we are discussing strictly PPV buys here.

Also, the UFC does not have 'mega-fights' monthly.

By the way, why do you feel the need to try and downplay the UFC's success? Do you represent the sport of boxing or something ? I am just as big of a boxing fan as the next man, I am simply stating the facts.

[-Antonio-]

UFC will continue to get millions of buys. I went to a sports bar to watch the last one. I was shocked. The place was packed to the walls.

[Ravishing]

Only thriving in the states?

You couldn't be more wrong in your assesment. They have already had successful shows overseas, and the UFC 100 show drew 25 million viewers in Mexico.

Look, I'm a die hard boxing fan, just like most of you, but if boxers and promoters didn't demand such ridiculous purses, there would be more money to put back into the sport.

The UFC isn't just paying these fighters peanuts and pocketing the rest. They're doing what the movers and shakers in the boxing world should be doing and investing it in the sport's future. When's the last time you saw a Manny Pacquiao fight on ESPN ?

What's killing boxing is the greed that comes with the business side of the sport.

Have you ever wondered why you are now starting to see boxing cards that actually have more than one quality matchup on them ?

You can thank the UFC for that. Finally, fans have a choice, and with competition comes improved product.

As fans, we win.

Great post!

[MOREBASS]

The quality of the product they put out is better? Did you see Silva/Griffin?

Seriously, who are we to tell a fighter how much they are worth? If Pac can demand 20 million and someone wants to pay it, I say hooray for Manny! Where in the world do you think the money comes from to pay for a fight the level of Cotto/Pac?

PPV Revenue

Casino Site Fee - by the way this is the key. Boxing fans will gamble much more money than UFC fans and the casinos know it. Therefore they will pay a much higher site fee for the mega boxing match than they ever would for a UFC event because they know their gaming revenues and the end of the week end are going to be enormous!

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Imagine the UFC having an event where they had to pay off 40 million in purses!

Okay, I'm officially done with this debate.

YOU'RE BACKING AND SUPPORTING THE BOXING BUSINESS MODEL.

LMFAO!



This is the reason why boxing has been suffering, and you're seriously sitting here trying to justify it. That's wonderful. Have a great day.

Look, like I've stated...I'm as die hard of a boxing fan as the next man, but I hate to see the sport being run into the ground by greed.

[Pullcounter]

I blame it on Pacqiauo.... He confuses the casual fans with catchweights and "New Diamond" belts made just for him... And thats all.

As far as UFC goes... that **** sux.

lol... what a hater.

[Dirt E Gomez]

The quality of the product they put out is better? Did you see Silva/Griffin?

Seriously, who are we to tell a fighter how much they are worth? If Pac can demand 20 million and someone wants to pay it, I say hooray for Manny! Where in the world do you think the money comes from to pay for a fight the level of Cotto/Pac?

I watch basically every fight out of the UFC, Strikeforce, and any boxing event. I don't remember the last bad UFC card I watched. A main event can falter or end prematurely; but usually the undercard is something worth watching. Undercards on 90% of boxing PPV's are trash. Generally a solid fighter taking on some mediocre opponent as a stepping stone to hopefully be a main event opponent in a year or two.

I agree. Hooray capitalism and if fighters can make so much money fighting a couple of times a year that's their prerogative. The reason they have to get paid so much is in part due to the # of people with their hands in fighters pockets. But the point here is irrelevant as if the trends continue the UFC will be able to pay its top tier fighters much more; and they've been bumping salaries for a while now.

PPV Revenue

Casino Site Fee - by the way this is the key. Boxing fans will gamble much more money than UFC fans and the casinos know it. Therefore they will pay a much higher site fee for the mega boxing match than they ever would for a UFC event because they know their gaming revenues and the end of the week end are going to be enormous!

Unless you give me some sort of data on this it is simply your speculation. Even if it were true; I'm not sure of the relevence to the discussion. How do casinos making money factor into making a good boxing or ufc card?

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Imagine the UFC having an event where they had to pay off 40 million in purses!

Another point that has no relevance. But could the UFC pay that much out? Given the add revenue they make as well as how well their average PPV card does I don't know what's to think they wouldn't be able to.

[Picazo]

UFC is a fad. Itll pass like their sub-par fighters.

[Ravishing]

The quality of the product they put out is better? Did you see Silva/Griffin?

Seriously, who are we to tell a fighter how much they are worth? If Pac can demand 20 million and someone wants to pay it, I say hooray for Manny! Where in the world do you think the money comes from to pay for a fight the level of Cotto/Pac?

PPV Revenue

Casino Site Fee - by the way this is the key. Boxing fans will gamble much more money than UFC fans and the casinos know it. Therefore they will pay a much higher site fee for the mega boxing match than they ever would for a UFC event because they know their gaming revenues and the end of the week end are going to be enormous!

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Imagine the UFC having an event where they had to pay off 40 million in purses!

I think you're generalizing the UFC's fanbase totally wrong dude. My boss, a 28 year old Millionaire, takes bi-monthly trips anytime the UFC goes to Vegas. Trust me, their fans aren't these crazy rednecks wanting to see a pig fight. They have Hollywood celebs at almost every event, and you better believe they drop dough at the Casinos.

You can make comparisons about purses the fighters receive on both spectrums, but where the UFC is flourishing by giving fans a quality show is where Boxing is failing. Every PPV they put out has at least 2-3 marquee fights as with Boxing it's usually up and comers fighting bums and then the Main Event. The consumer these days are looking for the most quality for their buck..and though I'm a bigger Boxing fan, I understand the UFC is running **** as far as consistently providing their audience with quality.

[DC Fight Fan]

Apples to oranges?

A PPV buy is a PPV buy is a PPV buy. I don't see how a PPV from a smaller show is any different from a PPV buy from a larger show (besides the price obviously) but we are discussing strictly PPV buys here.

Also, the UFC does not have 'mega-fights' monthly.

By the way, why do you feel the need to try and downplay the UFC's success? Do you represent the sport of boxing or something ? I am just as big of a boxing fan as the next man, I am simply stating the facts.

Please supply a link to your so called facts because they are far from factual.

Further, you are clearly taken over by the Dana White hype machine.