why can't boxers be moved up as quick as MMA fighters?

[shadeyfizzle]

Roy Jones Jr. said boxing is a way more difficult to learn than MMA because boxing is a one dimensional sport. In MMA, there are so many ways to beat someone, but there is an equal amount of ways to lose. That is way crossover stars like former college/high school amateur wrestlers, kickboxers, jijuitsu and karate experts and even pro wrestlers make a smooth transition to MMA. Take any of these athletes and throw them in a boxing ring at a pro level and they will get taken to school by any decent boxer. Check out a 47 year-old out of shape Ray Mercer knocking out former UFC Heavyweight Tim Sylvia with one punch in like 9 seconds.
Bringing up a boxer too soon and cause irreverseable damage. Guys like David Reid, Davey Moore, Fernando Vargas, and maybe Jeff Lacy had their careers ruined because of being moved up too quickly. Randy Couture moved up quickly and had a UFC title shot while having only 9 fights. He became a successful 2 division champ (3 titles total) and still competing at the highest level at age 45. Brock Lesnar had about 3 MMA fights and won the title from Couture. Can you picture any pro boxer beating one of the Kiltschkos after only 3 fights?
MMA is also a budding sport with a relatively shallow talent pool. So inexperienced cash cows like Brock Lesnar and Gina Carano will get opportunities that inexperienced boxers won't get. Boxing has been established for a 100 years, so there is high quality competition throughout the world. Having a losses early in your career can cause major set backs for a boxer since there is so much competition and so many other boxers with a 0 on there loss column. Most top MMA fighters (even Fedor) have a loss on there record.

Funny how you talk about the crossover stars like it only applies to boxing.

You could line up rjj, floyd mayweather, sugar ray robinson.....aint none of em beating bj penn in a jiu-jitsu match EVER. Aint no boxing great ever beating Brock Lesnar in a wrestling match either.

So it's not that mma has a shallow talent pool. Just that their talent pool draws from other less conventional forms of "fighting"

[trg6863]

Didn't streetfighter Kimbo Slice choke out Mercer? There's my example of MMA over boxing.


Isn't this ******?

[letsgobrady]

mma fighters are not as skilled as boxers are, their is not that big of a difference between who ever is considered to be at the bottom of a division and the fighter that is at the top of the division in mma almost anyone can lose to anyone anytime but in boxing if you are not ready for the elite you will be embarassed by the elite

[letsgobrady]

Funny how you talk about the crossover stars like it only applies to boxing.

You could line up rjj, floyd mayweather, sugar ray robinson.....aint none of em beating bj penn in a jiu-jitsu match EVER. Aint no boxing great ever beating Brock Lesnar in a wrestling match either.

So it's not that mma has a shallow talent pool. Just that their talent pool draws from other less conventional forms of "fighting"

but they could beat them in an mma match as proven by old ass mercer knocking out silvia

[shadeyfizzle]

but they could beat them in an mma match as proven by old ass mercer knocking out silvia

please refer to my 1st post in this thread about that.

[KILLA RIGHT]

because in mma you don't improve much it's just a bunch of bar fighting where you improve very little with time

[Clint650]

Though the hype is about the same as mma, it's a longer, harder road to the top in the sport of boxing. For instance, a fairly young boxer with a record of 15-6-4 would not even break the top 10 in his respected division, unless all of his losses were controversial split decisions (possible, but not likely). Ill get into more in a min.

[sammiza567]

simple. much deeper talent pool in boxing.

[Clint650]

Ok. Read most of the comments on here. Pretty good points. I have to argue that most mma fighters are not world class. Get this one through your head and the rest of what im going to say will be easy to follow. Brock lesnar is the best example of how quick someone can rise to the top in the ufc. You think brock has any black belts in bjj or was training his whole life in anything other than wrestling. Just goes to show that mma is more about a fighters personal fighting style more so than his ability to be good at every aspect of fighting. A striker like shane carwin may only need to improve his defense against takedowns to beat a top submission specialist.

[shadeyfizzle]

Ok. Read most of the comments on here. Pretty good points. I have to argue that most mma fighters are not world class. Get this one through your head and the rest of what im going to say will be easy to follow. Brock lesnar is the best example of how quick someone can rise to the top in the ufc. You think brock has any black belts in bjj or was training his whole life in anything other than wrestling. Just goes to show that mma is more about a fighters personal fighting style more so than his ability to be good at every aspect of fighting. A striker like shane carwin may only need to improve his defense against takedowns to beat a top submission specialist.

brock is not a good example to use because he is successful because of his mammoth size and strength which helps his specialty which is wrestling.


You think Valuev would be world class if he was any smaller??? Dude's a heavyweight champion as well.