So i keep reading "JCC and Whitaker met in the middle, whats wrong with pac/cotto?"

[gopi11]

Let’s be real because here for a second. The fact is Cotto wants this fight as much as Pacquiao does. It wouldn’t be fair to ask Cotto to come down to 140, a division in which Pacquiao recently disposed the reigning king which was Ricky Hatton, so why ask the Pacman to lay it all on the line, alone?

Cotto would be closer to the contracted limit of 145 than Pacquiao is. Had Cotto been campaigning at 154 and was asked to shoot down to 145, then that would be a different argument altogether.

This is a fair fight, with or without the belt gentlemen...

[El Jesus]

Let’s be real because here for a second. The fact is Cotto wants this fight as much as Pacquiao does. It wouldn’t be fair to ask Cotto to come down to 140, a division in which Pacquiao recently disposed the reigning king which was Ricky Hatton, so why ask the Pacman to lay it all on the line, alone?

Cotto would be closer to the contracted limit of 145 than Pacquiao is. Had Cotto been campaigning at 154 and was asked to shoot down to 145, then that would be a different argument altogether.

This is a fair fight, with or without the belt gentlemen...

that isnt the point of the thread.

[gopi11]

that isnt the point of the thread.

Well, you made it look like it was all Pacman who wanted this fight, which isn't the case. We all knew that Bob Arum dangled a "Pacquiao" fight to Cotto, which translates into a lot coins, for him (Cotto) to re-sign with Top Rank again. Arum made sure Pacquiao will be present at the Cotto/Clottey fight, so he can work his magic on Pacquiao. Pacquiao agreed, Cotto's camp agreed to a catchweight, and the rest is history. The only snag was the belt, which Bob Arum took for granted. He didn't expect the Pacquiao fans to make a big issue out of this, which was for good reason. There will be hstory in the making, IF.

So what's your beef?

[El Jesus]

Well, you made it look like it was all Pacman who wanted this fight, which isn't the case. We all knew that Bob Arum dangled a "Pacquiao" fight to Cotto, which translates into a lot coins, for him (Cotto) to re-sign with Top Rank again. Arum made sure Pacquiao will be present at the Cotto/Clottey fight, so he can work his magic on Pacquiao. Pacquiao agreed, Cotto's camp agreed to a catchweight, and the rest is history. The only snag was the belt, which Bob Arum took for granted. He didn't expect the Pacquiao fans to make a big issue out of this, which was for good reason. There will be hstory in the making, IF.

So what's your beef?

I didint and i made it clear with this part of my post

I think i would feel different if cotto called out pac and was demanding a fight with him, but this fight is purely about money being kept in house using 2 rabid ethnic fanbases and pitting them against each other for the sake of a "mega fight".

neither of these guys called out each other. if you truely read the context of my post, you understand my point. there is a reason why one poster agreed with the "core" of my point.

[ИATAS]

Let’s be real because here for a second. The fact is Cotto wants this fight as much as Pacquiao does. It wouldn’t be fair to ask Cotto to come down to 140, a division in which Pacquiao recently disposed the reigning king which was Ricky Hatton, so why ask the Pacman to lay it all on the line, alone?

Cotto would be closer to the contracted limit of 145 than Pacquiao is. Had Cotto been campaigning at 154 and was asked to shoot down to 145, then that would be a different argument altogether.

This is a fair fight, with or without the belt gentlemen...

Co-sign.

Pac is actually doing Cotto a favor by having this fight at 145 and not 143/144 (which is technically more in the middle than 145). Cotto previously weighed 146, one pound difference and cotto used to fight at 140. The weight wont be a factor.

[Ravishing]

Ill tell you what the issue is. When Chavez fought whitaker they were both coming previously from 135 from years before, they were roughly the same size. Both fighters were undisputedly the best from their division, so it was agreed that meeting in the middle would be fair. Neither chavez nor whitaker would be hurt from the weight issue, and chavez when he was in shape, never balooned to these insane weights, if i remember correctly, i think he only weighed like 144/146 against de la hoya in their fight at 147. Regardless, the rules were manipulated with ease because neither fighter would be losing any amount of strength or feel "weak" due to the loss of weight.

With cotto/pac, we all know that in the age of dehydrating and rehydrating, it creates a situation where one fighter will be at a noted disadvantage even with the loss of a couple of pounds. While i dont really care about this fight all that much, i am fully aware that its cottos choice to engage in the weight loss for money.

Another argument "cotto will be too big come fight night thats why the catchweight is nessecary"

both pac and cotto manipulate the rules when it comes to weighing in/next day weigh in. When pac was coming in at 145 for fights at 130, none of you had issue with that. Should marquez have tried to negotiate a catchweight of 127? No. Which is why i also feel that if you want to fight for a 147 lb belt, you should probably coming in at...147.

If pac wants to do what floyd mayweather did, which is show up at 150 lbs for a 154 lb fight, that should be all good. But the idea of these catchweights and fines for extra lbs on fight night and what have you is whatever to me. there is no need for divisions when everyone is creating their own.

I think i would feel different if cotto called out pac and was demanding a fight with him, but this fight is purely about money being kept in house using 2 rabid ethnic fanbases and pitting them against each other for the sake of a "mega fight".

If i made any factual mistakes regarding my analysis of the whitaker/chavez fight please let me know.

I don't think it's THAT deep truthfully. People want to see this fight, period. The only people who will have countless discussions about the ins and out of this fight are the hardcore Boxing fans, but even they are excited.

It's all about money, but when in Boxing HASN'T it been?

[El Jesus]

I don't think it's THAT deep truthfully. People want to see this fight, period. The only people who will have countless discussions about the ins and out of this fight are the hardcore Boxing fans, but even they are excited.

It's all about money, but when in Boxing HASN'T it been?

This is all true. I am, sadly as usual, one of the few who is not excited about this fight.