Proof Manny Agreed to non-title Fight

[baracuda]

Not a done deal but we'll see if fight is held at 145. I think we should stick to 145/non-title. Does manny really care about winning 7th division title....lol

theyve both agreed at 145.....the only problem now is the belt.....my point is pac never signed the fight to be non title coz if he already did im sure he would'nt ask for it now........ofcourse he cares aboutthe title and making another history,would'nt you if you were him,be honest now?....

[Left2body]

theyve both agreed at 145.....the only problem now is the belt.....my point is pac never signed the fight to be non title coz if he already did im sure he would'nt ask for it now........ofcourse he cares aboutthe title and making another history,would'nt you if you were him,be honest now?....

They are at an impasse. In negotiations you give and take. It is obvious that at some point Pac believed the contract was fair and announced it.

However now he wants something. So it is a simple quid pro quo. Cotto is saying you want X then give me Y. I would say that if Manny doesn't want to go upto 147lbs then offer Cotto 5-10 more points on the split.

Its unrealistic for Manny to believe he can get a concession from Cotto without making some of his own.

[rob6465]

theyve both agreed at 145.....the only problem now is the belt.....my point is pac never signed the fight to be non title coz if he already did im sure he would'nt ask for it now........ofcourse he cares aboutthe title and making another history,would'nt you if you were him,be honest now?....

You are right, the 7th division title is important but it can't be all manny or cotto. Manny wanted 143 and cotto 147 and they agreed at 145/non-title(that we know of).
Correct? Well now if manny wants the fight as a title fight, that is okay as long as it's 147, that way both fighters benefit from change. Is this wrong?

[rob6465]

They are at an impasse. In negotiations you give and take. It is obvious that at some point Pac believed the contract was fair and announced it.

However now he wants something. So it is a simple quid pro quo. Cotto is saying you want X then give me Y. I would say that if Manny doesn't want to go upto 147lbs then offer Cotto 5-10 more points on the split.

Its unrealistic for Manny to believe he can get a concession from Cotto without making some of his own.

I think cotto cares more about 147 than getting more money and i think that is good. Cotto needs to fight at his best whatever weight that is. If he wins the money will come in next fight.

[baracuda]

You are right, the 7th division title is important but it can't be all manny or cotto. Manny wanted 143 and cotto 147 and they agreed at 145/non-title(that we know of).
Correct? Well now if manny wants the fight as a title fight, that is okay as long as it's 147, that way both fighters benefit from change. Is this wrong?

i know they agreed the 145 weight but i dont know if pac really agreed to be nontitle....there was an article sayin he did but does'nt have a credible source........the belt is still on the process of negotiations.......and it s simply just a yes or no answer.....

[Left2body]

I think cotto cares more about 147 than getting more money and i think that is good. Cotto needs to fight at his best whatever weight that is. If he wins the money will come in next fight.

You might be right. But they wont know till they offer, it's just part of negotiations called the counter offer.

However consider that 5-10 more points would mean millions. That is not easily turned down especially if he is already fighting at 145lbs anyway.

It depends on what importance and value either side puts on things.

[Titing Kabayo]

Seems many are in denial. Look at all the thread titles......"Cotto team: why change your mind now?" and "Cotto Changes his mind now."

Pac is inconsistent...

http://www.nak-out.com/2009/07/31/pacquiao-vs-cotto-should-we-expect-this-fight/

already posted as thread..

[Titing Kabayo]

I think cotto cares more about 147 than getting more money and i think that is good. Cotto needs to fight at his best whatever weight that is. If he wins the money will come in next fight.

That is why I respect Cotto...

[rob6465]

i know they agreed the 145 weight but i dont know if pac really agreed to be nontitle....there was an article sayin he did but does'nt have a credible source........the belt is still on the process of negotiations.......and it s simply just a yes or no answer.....

ohhhh, so you think manny/cotto did not agree to whether fight is title or non-title? Ok, then maybe both can NOW agree to title/147, that way both get what they want. Is that fair?

[rob6465]

I know cotto/pacman will make cotto ALOT of money but if he feels negotiations are not going right then get out and you can still make money with cotto vs mosley 2, cotto vs margarito 2, cotto vs floyd. Cotto needs to realize that it's easier for him to get those fights than pacman to get those fights, with maybe the exception of mosley. If pacman cannot get title fight with cotto, where else can he get a welterweight title fight? Who are the other welterweight title champs? Makes you realize that pacman needs cotto for the 7th title. : )