Pacman's 2 Losses

[JOM'S]

i think both of PAC's KO Loss came from body punches, thats why FR has been training his body for hard punches ...

but i have to disagree with you HURLEX that PAC can be taken to school easily, but I welcome the thought that Erik's camp thinks that way, If they under estimate the one dimensional bomber from the Philippines it will be a long night for ERIK...

[beanstalk]

manny's 2 losses isn't worth discussing anymore, in my opinion. It's on his record and so you need to treat it like real losses.

Hurlex:
I pick Morales to win via UD, but not in a way everyone thinks. It is really very hard to take Manny to school by outboxing him. As technically sound as he is, JMM should have been able to take him apart even more after the middle rounds; but Pac even outboxed him in the last few rounds.

The actual disadvantage for Pac is when he goes head-hunting when going for the kill, you should be able to box smartly against him. But I doubt he will commit the same mistake unless he knocks down Morales early.

I pick Morales 'coz he may be a too big for Pac plus the weight jump at 130 may be too much for Pac. Morales may even actually be stronger.

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Alot has been said about peoples champ manny pacquiao's 2 losses. Some say he can be stopped since he was KOed in his losses while others say he doesnt have a good chin like Erik Morales since his defeats to Barrera were by SD.

I doubt even the pac fans know the real story behind Mannys two losses. His first loss came at the hands of Rustico Torrecampo when he was just a scrawny 17yr old. During the weigh-in Pacquiao was over the limit so was ordered to wear heavier gloves by the promoters. According to them it would balance the fight since it would lessen the impact of pacquiaos punches. During the 2nd rd, Pacquiao landed a left hook to put Torrecampo to the canvas but was barely able to beat the count. AS desperation sets in for Torrecampo during the 3rd rd, he throws a hail mary punch that landed on pacquiaos chin. Pacman never got up. Pacquiaos camp desperately asked for a rematch but Torrecampo having tasted the power of pacquiao avoided another confrontation and after a year decided to hung his gloves at the age of 25.

Pacquiao won his first belt when he was 19 when he beat Thai ring idol Chatchai Sasakul (whom i believe was the best fighter to come out of Thailand) by KO at round 8 to win the WBC Flyweight title. Although I personally think he was taught a lesson in technical boxing skills by Sasakul.

His next loss was inflicted by Medgoen Singsurat at the age of 20. Mannys body was fast growing and couldnt anymore hold the scales at Flyweight. During the weigh-in, Pacquiao was again over the limit and was stripped of his belt. He lost the title even before stepping a foot inside the ring. At that time, he was the sole champion from the Philippines, leaving the flywt division and reliquishing the belt would mean that his country wouldnt have any world champs, thats why his handlers tried to overworked and dehydrate pacquiao in a futile attempt to make the limit. Fight time came and Pacquiao was destroyed by body punches in the 3rd rd. He lay on all fours and it was clear he had no energy left.

Pacquiaos next fight was 3 weight classes higher at Super Bantamweight. His trainer was afraid that he would lose his advantage of punching power in the lighter divisions but to everyones surprise Pacquiao became even stronger after fighting in his natural weight. His KO percentage was higher than ever. He was then brought to the US where he met his trainer Freddie Roach who taught him how to throw his straight left at wicked angles and improved his defense. The rest is history.

Nobody can beat this guy as long as he's fighting at his comfortable weight. Now you know.

Sounds like his first KO loss was legit by your own words.

[JOM'S]

Sounds like his first KO loss was legit by your own words.

IMHO, the first and the second KO loss are REAL LOSSES they are all legit, the first was due to inexperience and the second one due to weight problems...

I think both losses actually helped PAC to be a better figther ...

[evosbm]

so what..the long count has happened in many fights.

and its usually the guy still standings fault.
dont know if this is the case with that fight
but it isnt the first long count and far from
the last no doubt.

yeah, i agree. take JMM's KD from Pacquiao for example. the one whom others would give credit for coming back from the canvas and from a life-saving long count... no matter how much i try to replay, it realy counts 15 sec. now that's JMM whom they give credit for.

[AIR_KENG]

Oh its cuz he never wore the wrong socks!!!

oh come on! that's shallow ****...

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Morales by TKO 3. :

[{BrownBomber}]

so what..the long count has happened in many fights.

and its usually the guy still standings fault.
dont know if this is the case with that fight
but it isnt the first long count and far from
the last no doubt.

Yes but the count was reversed.You can her the ref saying five on the way to six and then he says four and started counting real slow after that. The thing is that it slow counting does happen but it was so obvoius that they cheated by reversing the count and the worst was the BS stoppage of the fight in the tenth round, and then giving Manny a TKO WIN!!!! Manny was getting his ass handed to him by the much,much stronger Nedal. I bet that would be the last time poor Nedal even thinks about fighting over there.

[m00ks]

Yes but the count was reversed.You can her the ref saying five on the way to six and then he says four and started counting real slow after that. The thing is that it slow counting does happen but it was so obvoius that they cheated by reversing the count and the worst was the BS stoppage of the fight in the tenth round, and then giving Manny a TKO WIN!!!! Manny was getting his ass handed to him by the much,much stronger Nedal. I bet that would be the last time poor Nedal even thinks about fighting over there.

seriously? Manny was getting his ass handed to him off that one knockdown? Based on activity alone it would have been enough. If you ask me , kid's got guts to keep the attack on, round 5 through out after being kd in the fourth.

[{BrownBomber}]

seriously? Manny was getting his ass handed to him off that one knockdown? Based on activity alone it would have been enough. If you ask me , kid's got guts to keep the attack on, round 5 through out after being kd in the fourth.

I understand that every one can see their kids threw different eyes. He has guts but that fight was wrong man. Just like the Chavez Pernel draw but this was way more obvious.