..If TIMOTHY BRADLEY Wins This Saturday...

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    #11
    Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
    Think about it, Holt, Witter and then Nate, I'd say 6-10. Just remember, Nate is a better fighter then Holt, has a better body attack, more skilled and will aply more pressure.
    Yeah, definitely. I don't want to give the impression that beating Campbell or a fighter at his level is some sort of foregone conclusion. This is just a 'what if' situation.

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    • AndyShitHot
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      #12
      Originally posted by ..Calderon...
      THis means he'd have beat Junior Witter by decision in the U.K., Edner Cherry, Kendall Holt and now Nate Campbell.

      Granted, none of those guys was in the top 10 rankings, none are REALLY on their ways to the HOF. (You never know, I guess.) Nonetheless, would this be something that would force one to consider Bradley a p4p guy?

      Think about it this way, Nonito Donaire is in the top ten, off the strength of ability and his major win over Vic Darchinyan. Realistically, one could make the claim that Bradley has overall, done more than that.

      Celestino Caballero is also in the rankings with the strength of strong showings on his resume and the decent win over the previously unbeaten Steve Molitor. I think Bradley beats that aswell. Especially with the win over Campbell.

      He's undefeated, a 'world' champion, the number one guy, behind ONLY Pacquiao in his division. A division that includes the likes of such quality opponents as Ricky Hatton, Junior Witter, Paulie Malignaggi, Amir Khan, Juan Urango, Ricardo Torres and Marcos Maidana. That's in the top 10, alone. He has beaten 2 top ten ranked guys in his last four fights, and Campbell would be the man moving up from 135, if you exclude Juan Manuel Marquez.

      When you think of the p4p guys, you have to think of the four major things. Their abilities and how they looked in fights they won or lost. Their upside and future. Their level of competition. And what their past opponents were able to do AFTER facing them.

      If you exclude the final category, (mainly due to the fact that most of the guys Bradley has beaten have been slow on the comebacks), you have this...

      - Bradley seems like a rugged guy, who's very fast and and smart when he gets hurt, which is rare. Good balance, solid footwork and the ability to get the fight to turn into the fight that favors him most. His defense could use work, but he guts thru the shots that land and slips a lot of other shots. But he doesn't just win, he convinces you that you couldn't have scored it any other way.

      - He's a pretty marketable guy. If he could punch a little harder, he'd be even exciting to watch. Nonetheless, he's still fun and he has hurt Witter and Holt. He's undefeated and young. And witin his own division, I couldn't find many fighters I would completely pick over him, with the obvious exception of Manny Pacquiao. Realistically, the sky could be the limit if he's handled the right way.

      - His level of competition has all been ranked in the top 10, 15 at the least, in his last few fights. And he hasn't really taken a break. For the most part, most picked against him in his last two bigger fights, with Witter and Holt. If he beat Campbell, it'd still surprise some people, as well. He's beating everyone, and people are still saying he shouldn't be. So, obviously, his competition isn't too damn bad.

      I say, he enters my top ten list with a win this Saturday.

      Vote. Discuss.
      Totally agree, if he wins then he deserves a shot against Pacquiao, whether he wins or loses against Cotto he will still be the top dog at 140. This fight would become the biggest fight at 140. Although I think it's more likely that he'll end up fighting the winner of Witter/Alexander in a unification bout (if the santioning bodies allow it). It's even possible that we could see a Khan/Bradley unification as Bradley isn't a KO power type of guy so maybe Warren/Khan might take this fight. I think Bradley and Pacquiao are the best at 140 though.

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      • Doctor_Tenma
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        #13
        Originally posted by catalinul
        Top 10/
        C'mon,I like Bradley a lot too but he ain't getting close to top 10.

        Where do you rank Adamek,Dawson,Williams,Darchinyan,Kessler,Bute,Has egawa or Abraham?
        Honestly don't know about Dawson, Dawson was forced to rematch Tarver, rematch that should have never happend. AA/ Kessler have been beating up on bums. Darchinyan is still on the P4P list, he has done alot. Hasegawa, I haven't seen much of him, don't even know who the best name in his resume is. I do know he is very skilled. Paul Williams is in the Top 10, 6th maybe. Adamek, I'd say 9th.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
          Think about it, Holt, Witter and then Nate, I'd say 6-10. Just remember, Nate is a better fighter then Holt, has a better body attack, more skilled and will aply more pressure.
          My thoughts exactly.

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            #15
            Whoops. Scratch my vote. I thought it was "top in the division" as opposed to that p4p bull****.

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            • catalinul
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              #16
              Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
              Honestly don't know about Dawson, Dawson was forced to rematch Tarver, rematch that should have never happend. AA/ Kessler have been beating up on bums. Darchinyan is still on the P4P list, he has done alot. Hasegawa, I haven't seen much of him, don't even know who the best name in his resume is. I do know he is very skilled. Paul Williams is in the Top 10, 6th maybe. Adamek, I'd say 9th.
              They all should be in front of him.They all fought and beat mopre top 10 fighters than him in their divisions.

              Dawson is top 7-8p4p IMO.

              Abraham beat Gevor,Jantuah,Eastman,Miranda twice along with the rest put him above.

              Kessler's wins over Mundine,Beyer,Lucas,Andrade and decent performance against Calzaghe have to put him over.

              Darchinyan is over him.

              Hasegawa is WAY underrated here,he has been on a roll lately winning by impressive KOs and wins over Shaprom twice,Maludrottu and that superb KO in the first over Malinga.He is over Bradley too.

              Bute beat Bika,Berrio and Andrade so that's 3 top 10 wins.

              Adamek is over him and so is Williams.

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              • Doctor_Tenma
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                #17
                Williams is ranked higher ofcourse. So is Dawson. I disagree with Hasegawa, strongly disagree with Kessler and AA, those 2 haven't done crap as of late.

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                • catalinul
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                  #18
                  It's not about as of late,it's about whole career.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by catalinul
                    It's not about as of late,it's about whole career.
                    It is about your whole career, but it's also as of late. Otherwise, Hopkins or someone along those lines, could stay 'unretired' and ranked, when that's not really the way it works.

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                    • catalinul
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by ..Calderon...
                      It is about your whole career, but it's also as of late. Otherwise, Hopkins or someone along those lines, could stay 'unretired' and ranked, when that's not really the way it works.
                      Well Bernard did say he wants to fight on so he is still acvtive.

                      Besides Kessler and Abraham are in the tourney and will fight tough fights.

                      Kessler will fight 2 fights in 2 months.

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