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  • #21
    Originally posted by KrisSilver View Post
    Didn't really see anything in there to convince me Cotto is going to win, no one has put up a solid argument that Ive seen yet.

    Pac imo beats Cotto because he's quicker, very healthy at that kind of weight, he moves around extremely quickly, has one of the best trainers in the world, the best tactically imo.

    Cotto loses because he's already shown he's open to persistent upper cuts and just leans in to them, from slower less accurate guys. So how is he going to suddenly avoid them from Pac whom is far quicker, more accurate, and moving around?

    The whole Cotto is big and strong thing is weak, so was Hatton supposedly, and what happened there?
    Everyone has posted the reasons Manny can win, so I'll post why I see Cotto can win:

    1. I'm not going to say that because Manny got KO'd by a body shot very early in his career that he's prone to be KO'd by a body shot. I believe everyone can be KO'd or at least hurt badly by a body shot. Its just a matter of getting hit that the right time, in the right spot. Cotto is easily one of the best if not THE best body puncher in boxing, and I feel will take its toll on Manny's stamina in this fight. I'm not saying that Manny will just turn into mush, however, I do think it will slow Manny down the longer the fight goes.

    While I said Manny isn't prone to being KO'd by a body shot, I do think he is open to them which is one of the two main reasons I have Cotto winning. Manny loves to keep his hands very high when he's blocking his face, his body is just wide open. Sure he has a lot of movement but if he's being backed up by Cotto he won't have the type of movement and "bounciness" he showed in the DLH fight.

    2. Manny likes to get into trading punches, I don't want to call it a weakness because it isn't. The guy fights back when he's in trouble or gets hit with a solid punch, which is what makes him a great fighter. The problem with it is that is what Cotto likes to do as well and at 145 I trust Cotto's chin a lot more than I trust Manny's. Manny can be rocked, Marquez and Morales showed but those guys are no where the power that Cotto brings to the table. Sure, you can say Manny was never hurt by DLH or Hatton, but he was never really hit in those fights. The only meaningful punch I remember in either of those fights was a right hook to the body by Oscar and that was the one time he was able to get Manny's back on the ropes. Essentially what I'm trying to say is that if Cotto can get Manny to fight him, which I'm sure he will, I'll take Cotto because of the power and the... untested chin of Manny, at this high a weight.

    3. Cotto's jab may be the weapon to neutralize Manny's movement. Its not a typical jab in the sense that it can be thrown non-stop and doesn't do a lot of damage. However, he has so much power in it and his timing is spot on with it I think it could off-set any speed advantage Manny may have.

    I'm not saying Cotto is going to dominate the fight, and I'm certainly not saying Manny can't win. I don't see the fight quite at 50/50, 55-45 giving the edge to Cotto. It also isn't so much because of what Cotto can do but more along the lines of that Manny isn't the type of fighter that Cotto is particularly weak against. Manny certainly won't be able to pressure Cotto like Margarito and he isn't a big guy like Clottey that could remind Cotto of the Margarito fight. Manny doesn't throw the uppercut much either, which is easily Cotto's biggest weakness in terms of punches he gets hit with. However, Cotto is prone to hits in between the gloves and Manny's left is exactly that type of punch. I also fear that cut Cotto received in the Clottey fight could easily open up again with all those lefts that WILL land from Manny.

    I see it being a close fight, Manny landing a lot of punches on Cotto but I see the body work slowly taking its toll on Manny and Cotto returning to his old self and really hammering down his opponent in the later rounds.

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    • #22
      because its generally not a good idea to go against pacquioa as he has proved everyone wrong so many times

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Hard2kill View Post
        Im a fan of both fighters but I'm leaning on Pacquiao because I am Pinoy but my confident level is just 60%... It does not mean I am disloyal to my idol... I said, I'm a fan of both fighters and I have big respect for Cotto too..

        I just want to watch this fight but no way I'm betting real money with my hardcore Puerto Rican Neighbors... May the best man win....


        theres nothing wrong with thinking that the other guy have the edge....

        im a fan of both.. obviously get more into the fight with cotto.. same reason u get more into a fight when is pac.....

        i think that manny stamina and speed and the whole package cos he just keep getting better and better have the edge. For me this is a 50/50 fight....

        me giving the edge 2 manny because he seems the better natural athlete of them both.....

        may the best man win!!

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Beater_of_ass View Post
          Everyone has posted the reasons Manny can win, so I'll post why I see Cotto can win:

          1. I'm not going to say that because Manny got KO'd by a body shot very early in his career that he's prone to be KO'd by a body shot. I believe everyone can be KO'd or at least hurt badly by a body shot. Its just a matter of getting hit that the right time, in the right spot. Cotto is easily one of the best if not THE best body puncher in boxing, and I feel will take its toll on Manny's stamina in this fight. I'm not saying that Manny will just turn into mush, however, I do think it will slow Manny down the longer the fight goes.

          While I said Manny isn't prone to being KO'd by a body shot, I do think he is open to them which is one of the two main reasons I have Cotto winning. Manny loves to keep his hands very high when he's blocking his face, his body is just wide open. Sure he has a lot of movement but if he's being backed up by Cotto he won't have the type of movement and "bounciness" he showed in the DLH fight.

          2. Manny likes to get into trading punches, I don't want to call it a weakness because it isn't. The guy fights back when he's in trouble or gets hit with a solid punch, which is what makes him a great fighter. The problem with it is that is what Cotto likes to do as well and at 145 I trust Cotto's chin a lot more than I trust Manny's. Manny can be rocked, Marquez and Morales showed but those guys are no where the power that Cotto brings to the table. Sure, you can say Manny was never hurt by DLH or Hatton, but he was never really hit in those fights. The only meaningful punch I remember in either of those fights was a right hook to the body by Oscar and that was the one time he was able to get Manny's back on the ropes. Essentially what I'm trying to say is that if Cotto can get Manny to fight him, which I'm sure he will, I'll take Cotto because of the power and the... untested chin of Manny, at this high a weight.

          3. Cotto's jab may be the weapon to neutralize Manny's movement. Its not a typical jab in the sense that it can be thrown non-stop and doesn't do a lot of damage. However, he has so much power in it and his timing is spot on with it I think it could off-set any speed advantage Manny may have.

          I'm not saying Cotto is going to dominate the fight, and I'm certainly not saying Manny can't win. I don't see the fight quite at 50/50, 55-45 giving the edge to Cotto. It also isn't so much because of what Cotto can do but more along the lines of that Manny isn't the type of fighter that Cotto is particularly weak against. Manny certainly won't be able to pressure Cotto like Margarito and he isn't a big guy like Clottey that could remind Cotto of the Margarito fight. Manny doesn't throw the uppercut much either, which is easily Cotto's biggest weakness in terms of punches he gets hit with. However, Cotto is prone to hits in between the gloves and Manny's left is exactly that type of punch. I also fear that cut Cotto received in the Clottey fight could easily open up again with all those lefts that WILL land from Manny.

          I see it being a close fight, Manny landing a lot of punches on Cotto but I see the body work slowly taking its toll on Manny and Cotto returning to his old self and really hammering down his opponent in the later rounds.

          thanks for sharing .. nice read!!!

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Hard2kill View Post
            Explain to me why.. Yes, I'm a pacfan and I'm not saying Pac has little to no chance but giving him a big edge over Cotto is against my will..

            Cotto is big, strong, and has been tested with big guys.. I am not saying Manny has no chance but for me, Manny is a big underdog...

            I think people who are making Pacquiao favorite is overrating him.....
            I really don't know why people are picking Pac.
            Cotto is not done yet, he fought a very big and talented guy with just one eye and could won in his last fight.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Hard2kill View Post
              Im a fan of both fighters but I'm leaning on Pacquiao because I am Pinoy but my confident level is just 60%... It does not mean I am disloyal to my idol... I said, I'm a fan of both fighters and I have big respect for Cotto too..

              I just want to watch this fight but no way I'm betting real money with my hardcore Puerto Rican Neighbors... May the best man win....
              Don't worry, I'm picking Cotto...









              to take a knee and quit in the 6th round

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              • #27
                i have not bought into the bull crap hype of manny p. he was spoon fed fighters that made himself look invicible except for the jmm and first morales fight. Iam basiing cotto win on manny p. on those two fights cause thats the real manny P. fighting. Dont be fooled pac is still the same fighter since jmm with exception of a few punches learned. pac will get hit and stomped on by cotto but not ruling manny p. out cause his chances of wining is very high.
                Last edited by wizard king; 07-25-2009, 01:03 PM.

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                • #28
                  because pac is better, has a better corner, and cotto has massive flaws..... its simple really

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                  • #29
                    A lot of people refer to Cotto's lack of heart, but Pacman won't even give Cotto a chance to quit. His lightening fast fists of fury will put cotto to sleep first.

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                    • #30
                      word .

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