Freddie Roach: Pac and Khan......Emanuel Steward: Lewis and Wlad: Trainers credit?

[Benny Leonard]

Trainers/Coaches can be underrated and overrated but I want to know about these two since they seem to have an effect on the fighters mentioned in the thread title in resurecting their careers after a loss as well as being two of the most well known Pro trainers.

Now sometimes it is just careful match-making after a loss and the Trainer understands the limitations of who and when to pit his fighter up against...but it can also be the trainer making sure his fighter adjusts and improves so next time a loss to that opponent or a similar opponent won't happen again...as well as a mix of both.





For additional reply:

Discuss trainers that you feel make or have made a key impact on a fighter in enabling the athlete to get out his full potential.

Examples:

Marciano and Goldman



Tyson and Rooney

[strugler]

Floyd Sr.- Hatton..........

[Benny Leonard]

Floyd Sr.- Hatton..........

Students have to listen to their teachers but if you want to blame the Teacher for not being able to get the student to listen, then OK I guess.


So are you going to at least answer the first part of the thread with regards to Roach: Pac and Khan (so far) and Steward: Lewis and Wlad?

Or is that your point that Trainers don't matter?

Of course we could also make sure to recognize the full Team of trainers and not just the head Trainer.

[Bhopreign]

Freddie is a great gameplanner. Against Kotelink he gave Amir the perfect gameplan to win.

[-Antonio-]

Most of the time a coach/trainer is only as good as their fighters/players.

[Heru]

All those fighters in the title owe a lot to those trainers.

Roach made Pacquiao a complete fighter, without him Pac would still be struggling with the Nedal Hussein's of the world still a flyweight (he'd be another Penalosa record-wise, not bad, but not the same). Khan would be getting knocked out by any decent puncher.

Emanuel taught both heavyweights to conserve energy and avoid counters. Lewis would have gotten knocked out against a fighter like Tua without Steward.

[eazy_mas]

The thing is that most of the training is done before the fight.


For some fighters they need abit time to develop certain skills but the problem is when a person hears a train to do something which would win the fight for the fighter but he doesnt people critize the fighter.

You just cant learn and understand certain skills between the rounds and suddenly exectue it the next round. Not everybody could do that.

[The Gully Gad]

Like you mentioned Roach as really improved Pac.
Pac would of became a great fighter regardless i think but roach as fine tuned him..

Like having a turbo car but you still tweek that mutha***er to get max performance...

Hop's trainer Nazeem Richardson also deserves a mention
He saved Mosleys life.....

[WhoreUs]

Most of the time a coach/trainer is only as good as their fighters/players.

but vice-versa as well.

would manny be this good if he didn't roach?

would wlad be boring as **** if he had hooked up with someone else aside from emmanuel?