Froch Vs. Calzaghe

[NakiFan]

Froch is a one dimensional fighter, guys like calzaghe are a nightmare for him

[The Monk]

I'll play along...

Kessler landed several full power flush shots on Calzaghe's chin and he didn't even go down, was fine. How is Froch's 5% more power at most (I'mt not convinced it's any) going to KO Calazaghe? That's even if he can land more of those shots with less speed and accuracy than Kessler. So very unlikely on both fronts.

Secondly, what's the point in Froch having a tougher chin than Kessler? Calzaghe was unlikely to to head shot and KO Kessler nor would he Froch. So where's the benefit?

Calzaghe did hurt Mikkel with a body shot however, which would have lead to a TKO, Technical Knock out , so what's to say he couldn't to Froch whom is far easier to hit?

Well mother wants me home by 10.30 so we can't play for too long.

Firstly, Joe showed a good beard in the Kessler fight but you forgot to mention how Joe was decked by Jones and Hopkins who, at this stage of their careers, were not heavy punchers. Granted both punches were well timed, however if Carl can land flush I think Joe could certainly be put into difficulty.

Kessler was in trouble with body punches, but was no where near being TKO'd; he might have had to taken a knee at the worst.

In the last five years Joe showed basically no real knockout power, in direct contrast to his early career when he had very heavy hands. No doubt in my mind down to his hand problems. Froch is easier to hit, but I just don't see Joe hurting him with the pitty patty punches, which would be enough to win a comfortable decision.

I consider myself a Calzaghe fan, but nowhere near as big as I used to be. His last fight left a sour taste for me while Calzaghe fans on here are constantly on Kessler's nuts at in an attempt to improve Joe's legacy. Lets see how Kessler does in this SMW tournament, because I have a feeling he could lose a couple.

[AssasinKing]

Calzaghe would kill froch.....

Taylor nearlly did it but was way to tired near the end...calzaghes stamina would just take everything away from froch, n calz chin is great

[NakiFan]

Froch's power is overrated, its the type of power that is good against bums in the nottingham arena but **** at the top level.

[Kris Silver]

Well mother wants me home by 10.30 so we can't play for too long.

Firstly, Joe showed a good beard in the Kessler fight but you forgot to mention how Joe was decked by Jones and Hopkins who, at this stage of their careers, were not heavy punchers. Granted both punches were well timed, however if Carl can land flush I think Joe could certainly be put into difficulty.

Kessler was in trouble with body punches, but was no where near being TKO'd; he might have had to taken a knee at the worst.

In the last five years Joe showed basically no real knockout power, in direct contrast to his early career when he had very heavy hands. No doubt in my mind down to his hand problems. Froch is easier to hit, but I just don't see Joe hurting him with the pitty patty punches, which would be enough to win a comfortable decision.

I consider myself a Calzaghe fan, but nowhere near as big as I used to be. His last fight left a sour taste for me while Calzaghe fans on here are constantly on Kessler's nuts at in an attempt to improve Joe's legacy. Lets see how Kessler does in this SMW tournament, because I have a feeling he could lose a couple.

I liked the first line!!

Calazghe showed a good beard in many of his fights, not just the Kessler fight. His trouble is he doesn't train, spar, study his opponents and get a style/gameplan ready, so often gets caught early and relies on adapting.

Mitchell laid him on his back with a good shot but again he was pretty much un phased, and went on the TKO the same round, and did rattle Byron.

Hopkins does still have reasonable power, he did rattle Kelly a bit and probably could have gone for the knock out. Calzaghe again was fairly un phased by that knock down.

So the proof of the pudding in chin, is not the physics of being physically put down, but how you've soaked up that power. And he does, soak up that power, to the point it can knock him over but he's still ok.

That is precisely what an iron chin is, so to me, Kessler landed loads of very hard shots and he was fine, balanced, Froch would quite simply not be able to land as many and would not KO him based on the evidence.

As for Calzaghe's power, I never really got into this, most have only said he'd UD. Hes not KOing Froch any more than he is Kessler.

So the matters of chin and power are in the most part, not the most pressing matters in this fight, based on all of that. But if Calzaghe can get close to TKOing Kessler on a body shot, then he could Froch.

But yes, in all likelyhood a UD.

Kessler will pick up no more than one loss in this tourney imo, but your right he could get caught as he doesn't adapt enough.

[screwhead1]

joe would knock froch's head into the middle of the indian ocean...

[The Monk]

I liked the first line!!

Calazghe showed a good beard in many of his fights, not just the Kessler fight. His trouble is he doesn't train, spar, study his opponents and get a style/gameplan ready, so often gets caught early and relies on adapting.

Mitchell laid him on his back with a good shot but again he was pretty much un phased, and went on the TKO the same round, and did rattle Byron.

Hopkins does still have reasonable power, he did rattle Kelly a bit and probably could have gone for the knock out. Calzaghe again was fairly un phased by that knock down.

So the proof of the pudding in chin, is not the physics of being physically put down, but how you've soaked up that power. And he does, soak up that power, to the point it can knock him over but he's still ok.

That is precisely what an iron chin is, so to me, Kessler landed loads of very hard shots and he was fine, balanced, Froch would quite simply not be able to land as many and would not KO him based on the evidence.

As for Calzaghe's power, I never really got into this, most have only said he'd UD. Hes not KOing Froch any more than he is Kessler.

So the matters of chin and power are in the most part, not the most pressing matters in this fight, based on all of that. But if Calzaghe can get close to TKOing Kessler on a body shot, then he could Froch.

But yes, in all likelyhood a UD.

Kessler will pick up no more than one loss in this tourney imo, but your right he could get caught as he doesn't adapt enough.

The comment about being mad was not directed at you, but for the people saying Calzaghe by KO. I think theres more chance Joe coming out under the English flag than there is of him stopping Carl.

[Kris Silver]

The comment about being mad was not directed at you, but for the people saying Calzaghe by KO. I think theres more chance Joe coming out under the English flag than there is of him stopping Carl.

Yeah I know man, and I can see what your getting at. Kessler is the clear #1 and favourite though, I tend to think the others in this tourney are being over rated and I'm a fan of Abraham. Fair point on Carl dude, I do agree it's unlikely.

[hammerhiem]

Think Lacy (Froch) vs Calzaghe only with everyone knowing the winner this time, totally lobsided victory for the Welshman.

No serious poster here has ever said Carl could beat joe.

Interestingly Daggum probably has Froch by 1st round KO.

[Chunk..]

Kessler's #1 based on what?

For all the skill and technical ability that he supposedly has? I've yet to see him win a fight that backs up these claims. I didn't see anything in the Calzaghe fight to suggest this either.

I think Kessler's good by the way, but the jury's out until i see him beat someone of note.