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Apparently when you have blood constantly dripping into your eye you'll have perfect vision then? Have you ever got sweat in your eye? It stings, and its difficult to not rub at it, now do that with blood, for 27 minutes, constantly dripping into it... THEN have a guy punch you there randomly as hard as he can for those 27 minutes. Yea, he has to be shot because anyone else could handle that with ease, I mean decisively KO a guy whose never been knocked out in his career, Cotto is definitely a bum.
As for the Marg/Clottey, Clottey supposedly hurt his hand was giving Marg the business. Its funny... because anyone Marg beats is an overrated piece of trash. Cotto and Clottey are great examples, yet in the Cotto fight, Marg may have well been using casts instead of gloves and in the Clottey fight Clottey hurt his hand. His two biggest performance of his career, arguably, and both are not all that convincing. He cheated in one, maybe, and the other his opponent got hurt.
As for the topic I'm not going to judge just based off the cover. I'd have to read the article first and see if they answer the question pro or negative. If its negative the article is definitely biased, the guy has a VERY difficult fight that EVERY analyst interviewed said was going to be a VERY close fight. And it was a very close fight, but only because Cotto is shot. I mean Jesus, Clottey was being touted as one of the best in the division, a very tough fighter. The guy gives Cotto a very hard fight, the guy is a great fighter and then they totally shun not only Cotto by saying he looked bad in victory but then give Clottey no credit saying that Cotto should have won clearly, though leading up to the fight everyone felt it was going to be a close one.
As for the Cotto/Clottey fight being completely one sided in Clottey's favor you are ****** if you think that.
Round 1: 10-8 Cotto for the knockdown.
Round 2: Close could have gone either way.
Round 3: Close, either way, cut happens in this round
Round 4: Cotto clearly. He threw 77 punches and had Clottey on the ropes for a while
Round 5: Clottey, more accurate punches
Round 6: Cotto throws 96 punches and has Clottey on the ropes for over a minute straight.
Round 7: Clottey
Round 8: Clottey
Round 9: Clottey
Round 10: I initially had this for Clottey but at the end of the round Cotto lands a huge left, followed by another one. Clottey wasn't "hurt" by the punch in terms of being KO'd, however, it hurt him in the sense that he knew he had to be careful because Cotto's power was a danger, just looked at the facial expression, he wasn't shaking his head to either of those bombs. This one could still go either way.
Round 11: I had Cotto, but a lot of people even judges gave Cotto 10 and Clottey this round so again either way.
Round 12: Cotto clearly. Clottey was just running in doing a lot of nothing. Cotto may not have WON the round but Clottey certainly lost it.
Overall I had the fight dead even, 6 rounds to 6. However, the knockdown gives Cotto a 1 point win. If you watch the fight again, Cotto I think would have controlled Clottey a lot more. Just watch rounds 4 and 6 again, but Cotto backed off because he was getting just blasted with rights in the 5th, 7th and 8th round when he tried doing so and really stepped up his attack to the body. The cut was obviously hindering his vision so he changed up his tactics and did as Steward said, that Cotto had to get Clottey coming in and we see exactly the results in the 10th, the Cotto left hand bombs.
Now that I think about it though, I guess people were expecting the Cotto they saw in all his fights prior to the Marg fight. Judah, Corley and Torres in all those fights Cotto kept coming forward and just overpowering these guys to win. I think it was the Mosley fight that changed Cotto though, not Marg. Cotto saw, and I think for the first time that his power wasn't enough to really KO the elite tier of the WW division. If your power isn't there to KO a guy what else are you supposed to do... box. Cotto isn't exactly the best boxer, and perhaps that's why its looked at as tiring. Perhaps because he did well in the Mosley fight boxing they (trainer/cotto himself) felt it was the same for Marg, and for 6 rounds it did work. Marg may have been cheating, and/or Cotto may have used a bad game plan, but that's hardly being past your prime.
You have to think, the Clottey fight was not only a difficult match-up for Cotto, or anyone else in that division for that matter, but he also had to deal with that nasty cut. It was his first real challenge after the Marg bout, he had just lost a relationship with his uncle/long time trainer and his new trainer had literally NO experience as a trainer in boxing, ever. I personally feel you give Cotto a professional trainer for his camp and the fight and his tactics of being more of a counter puncher on Clottey would have shown up sooner. Steward had been saying that's the only way Cotto was going to catch Clottey with a solid punch since about the 2nd or 3rd round. Cotto didn't figure it out till about 9 or 10 rounds in, well... him or his trainer. I also have a feeling that the camp for Cotto wasn't so much a "learning" camp as a refining camp.
One thing I noticed is they worked on his defense a little bit. Early in the fight he kept his gloves closed to not allow the up the middle punches get threw but that fell by the wayside mid-fight. I think more than anything they just hoped Cotto's current skill would be enough to get him through the fight and just work on conditioning as his trainer was/is his nutritionist.
I still hope Cotto takes Stewards offer of training him for the Paq fight. Not necessarily because Steward knows a way to beat Paq, but because he is able to see Cotto so well. He knows Cotto's weakness and can really help Cotto clean up as an overall fighter. I also think he knows exactly how to "use" Cotto, by that I mean how Cotto will win his fights. Perhaps Cotto has reached his plateau in boxing and he just needs something to push him to his peak. Then again, Cotto has won all of his fights, except the very questionable Margarito fight, against the best fighters, not only in his division but possibly in boxing. Sure, it hasn't been easy but to think the guy is passed his prime because he didn't do it as well as some have liked, me included, doesn't mean we should just throw him by the wayside. There has to be some reason Manny and Roach want Cotto to weigh in as little as possible.Last edited by Beater_of_ass; 07-10-2009, 09:24 PM.Comment
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I think we've seen Cotto at his best. It's possible I am be wrong, but I don't see him getting better at this point.Comment
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Without question. FAR from shot, but he shows signs of slipping.Comment
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No trying to be a prick or anything, but just out of curiosity, why did you put 'CAN' in quotation marks?
Anyway, on the topic: Cotto is not done or past his prime. He's just fought the best one after another and when you fight the best, you don't always look great. Everyone seems to be underrating Clottey as if he was some kind of chump or something. Clottey is possibly the most skilled fighter at 147 and his only losses have been under a cloud of BS. Baldomir was a disgraceful DQ decision which was as much Baldomir's fault. The Marg fight was obvious as he was putting a whippin' on him until he hurt his hands, after which he hardly threw punches, and the Cotto loss was very, very close. I personally gave it to Clottey by a couple of rounds, as did many and some gave it to Cotto. As always though, the guy that had the big money fight coming up won it, whether he deserved to or not.
Marg fight was the Marg fight and I don't think it mattered whether he was plastered or not, Cotto wasn't going to beat him. He just did not have the right fight style and game plan to do it.
Mosley was a great fight which he won by a couple of rounds and looked good against a guy who, while past it, is still fighting amazingly well and would be very difficult for anyone. Just see the Marg fight.
Judah, although he had lost his last three fights prior to Cotto was still dangerous and that was more of a tune up fight anyway to see if he could hang in there with a very fast, skilled fighter with great past achievements. He did very well obviously.
The fact is that while he got beaten up by Marg, he came back and demolished Jennings, which he was supposed to do and which any top fighter would have done. if he had truly slipped then that fight might have been a bit harder than it was. Then, he fought what many, including myself, considered the hardest fight at WW, against Clottey. He was without doubt the one of the hardest fights now, if not the hardest.Last edited by BennyST; 07-11-2009, 05:13 AM.Comment
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Wow The ring has turned itself into a BS.com flamer and troller, what a **** ty thing to do. They should change it to who else has taken on the best and is still standing? Course this should give Cotto a lot of motivation to work as hard as he can.Comment
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I think a more appropriate way to put is has he reached his peak? It seemed like after the Mosley fight Cotto was still improving and looked to be able to do things in the gomez fight that I hadnt seen him do in the past. The way he slipped punches crowded gomez without getting touched and his speed looked very impressive. But the MArgarito fight was a brutal fight and would take anyone some time to recover physically and mentally.Comment
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