The true definition of the phrase "when he was in his prime"

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When the reflexes start to slow...
Usually when they get into their mid or late 30's...
And sometimes it depends on when you start boxing(i.e. Hopkins)

When you see the punch coming and you know to move your head...but u CAN'T.

[Benny Leonard]

I disagree about tyson having more power than Frazier, also about tyson taking a shot better than frazier. there is no way tyson could have gone 14 or 15 rounds with ali without getting knocked out. ali beat the living **** out of frazier and still had a hard time putting frazier down. everyone of tysons defeats came by way of ko so I dont know how you can justify that tyson took a better shot than frazier. and you actually strengthened my position on tyson by stating that Rooney controlled his every move. thats even more the reason tyson should not be considered an ATG or a future hall of famer. at some point in a fight, you have to be able to think for yourself and make adjustments that only you(the one actually doing the fighting) can make.

Tyson could take one shot better than Frazier. Tyson went 9+ rounds with Douglas who hit very hard; a lot harder than Ali and layed it on Tyson from round 1 land clean shots right on the chin over and over...and that was an untrained Tyson. Note: McCall said Douglas hit harder than Lewis.
Also: Douglas also had a lethal jab.
You also have Bruno, Ruddock, and Lewis.
Tyson's stamina was done by Lewis and still absorbed shot after shot until he was finally put out. Even Lewis talked about how he was amazed at Tyson's chin.

Tyson has strong legs and a very good chin...and you can even add "will" which is why he never suffered from "Flash-knockdowns" like most of the rest. The one time he did, which was against Evander on a body-shot, was from Tyson being off balance which you can see in the replay and it is pointed out as such.


Have to go for now....


Oh, and remember, without Emmanuel, where is Wlad?

Where is Ali if Dundee wasn't there to help guide him on who to choose and when to choose as well as helping him out in certain fights.

Many fighters need their trainers but Tyson and maybe because it was age, relied on Rooney heavily...this is true.