Around the Horn V.2 Buy or Sell

[Nautilus]

its a T.V show that discuss sports

what constitutes "Around the Horn style?"

[The Fix]

Sell

as soon as klitscko fights some good fighters instead of trash like danny williams maybe then he could be considered the champ.vitali needs to fight either john ruiz or hasim rahman. IMO vitali losses to rahman by KO . vitali is a robot and rahman will figure him out and capatilize just like he did to lewis the first time.vitali has beaten nobody

[neils7147933]

SELL

Of the top 15 ranked heavyweights (updated Nov 14),

Vitali has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (Sanders)
Vitali has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the WBA
Vitali has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the IBF
Vitali has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (Hoffman)
Ranked Opponents - 2
Different Ranked Opponents - 2

IBF Champ Byrd has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (VKlitschko)
Byrd has TWO wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (McCline, Holyfield)
Byrd has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (McCline..plus vacated Klit)
Byrd has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the WBO
Ranked opponents - 4
Different Ranked opponents - 3

Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (Rahman)
Ruiz has THREE wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (Rahman, Golota, Holyfield)
Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (Rahman)
Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (Rahman)
Ranked opponents - 5
Different Ranked opponents - 3

Brewster has TWO wins over anyone ranked by the WBC (W Klitshcko, Meehan)
Brewster has TWO Wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (W Klitschko, Meehan)
Brewster has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (Meehan)
Brewster has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (W Klitschko)
Ranked opponents - 6
Different ranked opponents - 2

I know some guys are ranked by more than one organization, but doesn't that make them more credible contenders? Now why is Vitali called "The man"?
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I'm not a Vitali hater, but I think it's ridiculous not to be a Vitali doubter.

Someone using Vaughn Bean and Larry Donald to defend the most dominant man in the heavyweight division is resorting to outrageous depths...

Kirk Johnson and Corrie Sanders were both past their prime, and both very very out of shape.

Vitali needs to face some of these guys who actually ranked before he earns the respect so many have already given him. How would he do against Byrd (again), Ruiz, Toney, Rahman, Guinn, etc.

Who knows til he actually signs to fight them?

OK, so why are we all to believe that Vitali Klitschko is the TRUE heavyweight champion of the world? Why are there people on this board that would pick Vitali against any other heavyweight out there.

The guy was up on points when he LOST to former WBC champion Lennox Lewis (who was out-of-shape and on the brink of retirement) and current IBF champion Chris Byrd (who took the fight on a week's notice). He had more points at the time of the stoppages.

But which one of these wins is supposed to impress me? It's easy to see why Wlad was considered better; he has wins over Monte Barrett, Jameel McCline, Chris Byrd, and Ray Mercer.

Here are the last 10 victims of the guy HBO and the Ring magazine want you to believe is the "real champ":

Corrie Sanders - Since November of 2001, this guy has fought just one guy not named Klitschko. The semi-retired overweight golf pro only still had a name because he beat Wladimir, which was a lot more impressive before Brewster did it too. Corrie was KO'd by Hasim Rahman in 2000 and was also KO'd by Nate Tubbs. He has no wins of note other than Wlad.

Kirk Johnson - a 260 lb ball of fat.

Larry Donald - on life support by Don King. Ranked 49 by Boxing Rec. Never beat anyone either.

Vaughn Bean - I only know this guy's name because Holyfield whipped him too. He never beat anyone of note. (see a pattern here?)

Ross Purritty - The dude has 17 losses. Everytime he fights anyone good he loses (he did fight Tommy Morrison to a draw!) He lost to Michael Grant, Hasim Rahman, the Danish Pastry Brian Nielsen, Sanders and Donald, Chris Byrd... This guy's picture is next to "tomato can" in the boxing dictionary. At least he beat Wlad...

Orlin Norris - famous for tripping over Tyson's foot and breaking his ankle. Also lost to Henry Akinwande, Andrew Golota, that pesky Danish Pastry, Tony Tucker, and Bert Cooper

Timo Hoffmann - this guy was undefeated when he fought Vitali. Since then he's lost to Michael Sprott and Akinwande. Boxing Rec ranks him 26

Obed Sullivan - Journeyman who made it 11 rounds with Vitali. David Tua knocked him out in 51 seconds. Fres Oquendo also TKO'd him.

Ed Mahone - looked like a good prospect coming into the fight. He was undefeated; since then he won a fight over Mario Cawley and has been exposed with three losses to guys with a combined record of 62-15-2, including a KO loss to 8-lossed Terrence Lewis. Appears to be retired after the losing streak.

Herbie Hide - Vitali KO'd him. Wow; Rid**** Bowe dropped this bum 7 times in their fight.

It looks like Vitali is fighting Danny Williams, who was unknown prior to lasting 5 rounds and taking advantage of an injured Tyson and has a loss to Julius Francis on his resume. If Vitali conquers that "hurdle", then who? Maybe DaVarryl Williamson? This cleaning up little brother's unfinished business is getting old.

C'mon, Vit. The Heavyweight Division is in shambles. Fight somebody already. A champion, a former champion, someone who has 20+ wins in THE UNITED STATES, someone who has been in shape since after the Y2K scare.

Then maybe the elder Klitschko will have earned the respect that too many people on this site give the guy. Saying he runs through Rahman, Ruiz, Toney, Tua and Tyson after going through this not-so-distinguished list of opponents seems a bit naive.

[julDilla]

neils7147933 - 5 points

thefix - 3 points


RULE you may only have two posts coounted example, if someone makes 2 posts i'll give points, if he/she makes more no points will be added, to make it fair for guys who havent discussed

[Nautilus]

Sell

as soon as klitscko fights some good fighters instead of trash like danny williams maybe then he could be considered the champ.vitali needs to fight either john ruiz or hasim rahman. IMO vitali losses to rahman by KO . vitali is a robot and rahman will figure him out and capatilize just like he did to lewis the first time.vitali has beaten nobody

Buy

People have been saying for years that Vitali has a robotic style that would be easy to figure out. It has not happenned! Nobody has figured him out. Noone has ever outboxed Vitali. Vitaly has a steel chin and is very elusive defensively. Moreover, Lewis has (and not some Manny S.) stated that Vitaly is a "great boxer". His will is unbeatable, he will be the champion for years to come. Plus he is very smart.

[neils7147933]

ok, Neuraxis, your turn...

[julDilla]

good points but steel chin? he got stunned by an old fat sanders, i wouldnt call it steel chin

neils7147933 - 5 points

thefix - 3 points
Nautilus - 1 Points

[Nautilus]

good points but steel chin? he got stunned by an old fat sanders, i wouldnt call it steel chin

neils7147933 - 5 points

thefix - 3 points
Nautilus - 1 Points

Buy

Neils should be penalized for "copying & pasting" from his old posts and for repeating old boring points

[BrooklynBomber]

He is got a veru good punishing power plus a very good KO rating.(look at the faces of his opponents after the fight) Also he was stunned by Sanders'es counter punch. And let me tell you Sanders got very quick and powerful punches plus he is a southpaw so I say V.Klit got one of the best chins today. Never been down or out.
Besides none of the other heavyweight champs are as much fun to watch. His fights are action packed to say at least.
So I buy him as a champ

[The Fix]

Buy

People have been saying for years that Vitali has a robotic style that would be easy to figure out. It has not happenned! Nobody has figured him out. Noone has ever outboxed Vitali. Vitaly has a steel chin and is very elusive defensively. Moreover, Lewis has (and not some Manny S.) stated that Vitaly is a "great boxer". His will is unbeatable, he will be the champion for years to come. Plus he is very smart.

for you to say that he has a steal chin is crazy because it really hasnt been tested. for me to be right about vitali being a robot vitali has to fight a good fighter.not these bull**** journeymen