For those wondering which Black fighters Manny has ducked here is a list

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Who was the best 154 pounder?

Spinks?..dont make me laugh.

Actually it was Vernon Forrest and yes spinks at the time was ranked higher than Oscar.

[Khalid X]

Hmm Floyd moved up and fought Castillo the best in the divison..right away.

And he also moved up to 154 and fought the best right away.

like I said earlier...pac vs diaz happened for the same reason cotto vs pac is gonna happen. On one hand you have 2 in house fighters who Bob Arum can easily make negotiations happen. On the other hand you have 2 guys that bob arum really doesnt like and will make negotiation difficult. Arum hates don king and doesnt like dealing with King. Guess who promotes Nate Campbell? Also you have an example in your boy floyd. Cotto will take 35% when there is no way in hell Mayweather will. In similar fashion Campbell was the IBF/WBO/WBA champ at 135 so there was no way in hell that king would let mannny get the lion share in the fight. I mean that right there tells you why Diaz fight happened and campbell didnt. It would take a blind man not to see that.

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like I said earlier...pac vs diaz happened for the same reason cotto vs pac is gonna happen. On one hand you have 2 in house fighters who Bob Arum can easily make negotiations happen. On the other hand you have 2 guys that bob arum really doesnt like and will make negotiation difficult. Arum hates don king and doesnt like dealing with King. Guess who promotes Nate Campbell? Also you have an example in your boy floyd. Cotto will take 35% when there is no way in hell Mayweather will. In similar fashion Campbell was the IBF/WBO/WBA champ at 135 so there was no way in hell that king would let mannny get the lion share in the fight. I mean that right there tells you why Diaz fight happened and campbell didnt. It would take a blind man not to see that.

yeah people tend to forget that boxers fight who they are told to fight. They have no real say in the matter and you would think some people would grasp the definition of a promoter. They own the boxers!!!

[Heru]

Who was the best 154 pounder?

Spinks?..dont make me laugh.

I'm not a fan of Floyd, but Oscar was #1 at 154 in ring mag and boxrec rankings when Floyd fought him.

[Khalid X]

yeah people tend to forget that boxers fight who they are told to fight. They have no real say in the matter and you would think some people would grasp the definition of a promoter. They own the boxers!!!

Yeah..especially two greedy bastards like Arum and Especially King. I can just imagine King trying to spin the fact that Nate campbell is the Undisputed champ at LW and deserves 70% while Arum wants the same because Pac is
P4P the best fighter. Those two dudes dont get along for **** even though they are carbon copies of one another (except for king being and extreme version)

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I'm not a fan of Floyd, but Oscar was #1 at 154 in ring mag and boxrec rankings when Floyd fought him.

Yeah because he was unactive for a year and a half and beat mayorga and magically he was granted status as the best junior middleweight.

Do you normally make things up or are you always this full of ****t.

[Heru]

Yeah because he was unactive for a year and a half and beat mayorga and magically he was granted status as the best junior middleweight.

Do you normally make things up or are you always this full of ****t.

A year and half *******? Go look at his record and suck a **** for being a hatin ass *****.

Even after that fight he was #1 for a while in the boxrec rankings *****.

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A year and half *******? Go look at his record and suck a **** for being a hatin ass *****.

Even after that fight he was #1 for a while in the boxrec rankings *****.

Boxrec LOL!!!! The have Wladamir Klitchko rated #1 in the world right now LOL!!!!!!


And yes it was a year and a half that he was inactive before he fought Mayorga. This is from Boxrec.com


http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...8253&cat=boxer


2006-05-06 153½ Ricardo Mayorga 153½ 27-5-1
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 6 12
~ time: 1:25 | referee: Jay Nady | judge: Duane Ford | judge: Paul Smith | judge: Guido Cavalleri ~
~ WBC light middleweight title ~
Mayorga down once in the 1st rd & twice in the 6th.

2004-09-18 155 Bernard Hopkins 156 44-2-1
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L KO 9 12
~ time: 1:38 | referee: Kenny Bayless | judge: Dave Moretti 73-79 | judge: Paul Smith 74-78 | judge: Keith MacDonald 77-75 ~

[Heru]

Boxrec LOL!!!! The have Wladamir Klitchko rated #1 in the world right now LOL!!!!!!


And yes it was a year and a half that he was inactive before he fought Mayorga. This is from Boxrec.com


http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...8253&cat=boxer


2006-05-06 153½ Ricardo Mayorga 153½ 27-5-1
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 6 12
~ time: 1:25 | referee: Jay Nady | judge: Duane Ford | judge: Paul Smith | judge: Guido Cavalleri ~
~ WBC light middleweight title ~
Mayorga down once in the 1st rd & twice in the 6th.

2004-09-18 155 Bernard Hopkins 156 44-2-1
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L KO 9 12
~ time: 1:38 | referee: Kenny Bayless | judge: Dave Moretti 73-79 | judge: Paul Smith 74-78 | judge: Keith MacDonald 77-75 ~

My original post said The Ring and boxrec and I'm 100% sure Oscar was at the very least #2 at 154. We weren't talking from Hopkins to Mayorga , but from Mayorga to Mayweather, which was 1 year.

[ThunderWolf]

yeah people tend to forget that boxers fight who they are told to fight. They have no real say in the matter and you would think some people would grasp the definition of a promoter. They own the boxers!!!

I agree, boxers want more money from fights, no matter what nationality they fight against or race. It`s actually the job of promoters, not fighters ducking anybody. That would make some black fighters unqualified due to lack of fanbase, leading to less guaranteed money.