Lennox Lewis and the KLITCHKO BROTHERS are top 3 heavyweights of all time

[knn]

A mid forties half dead Holyfield should've gotten a decision over Valuev

He never ever "should have gotten" a decision over Valuev. Valuev won because he was the better man. I agree with the judges.

Ali is taller, faster, heavier, and has greater reach than Holyfield. He would dominate Valuev and if he didn't knock him out it would be a shutout.

Pure speculation based on nothing. And especially not on Ali's record. So far noone beat Valuev convincingly, even Chagaev's win was not UD.

I'll wait for your response talking about Evan Fields and the fact that he's on steroids.

Why should I talk about Evan Fields "workout habits"? Completely offtopic here.

[Marlin26]

TO EVERYONE: why are we still posting in this thread? is'nt it obvious that no matter what we say and what we do that his god like statistics will defy the odds? his equations of Bigger = Better well always prevail? Ali even though he Ko'd 50% of his opponents is a featherfist, but his hands are so heavy that they are pulled down to his waist and his ability to keep distance to opponents and not get hit (clowning) is a sheer mockery to boxing! honestly people, That Big Russian man is huge, he would totally own Ali, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Patterson and any other fighter in boxings past useing Knn's logic.

TO KNN: Your high as a f*king kite sir!

[Deja_Vous]

So using movement to avoid punches is "clowning" for you. I guess we now know why you like today's stiff heavyweights, they sure don't "clown" around, they stand still as if their feet were in cement.



Seeing two well-conditioned athletes go toe-to-toe for 12 rounds without tiring sure is painful. Go ahead and watch Eddie Chambers vs Samuel Peter to ease the pain, two modern "big" heavyweights.



The point was that even a shot, old Ali with Parkinson's was faster than the slow as molasses Samuel Peter.



Sonny Liston 218 lbs
George Chuvalo 216 lbs
Cleveland Williams 210 lbs
Ernie Terrell 212 lbs

You're seriously trying to argue that Valuev would beat Ali. Think about that for a moment.

Awesome post

[knn]

So using movement to avoid punches is "clowning" for you. I guess we now know why you like today's stiff heavyweights, they sure don't "clown" around, they stand still as if their feet were in cement.

Nonsense. That's during Louis' times. Nobody "stands around" nowadays.

Seeing two well-conditioned athletes go toe-to-toe for 12 rounds

Why do you spin? It WAS NOT TOE-to-TOE. Ali makes it pretty clear that he wants to have his feet 2 meters away from his opponent. That's "clowning around". Ali's is a coward. If you want you can call him "Ali, the runaway kid".

without tiring sure is painful.

Did you see much output? I didn't. Ali tires because he's an overweight cruiser. He also doesn't sit down during the breaks, maybe he had knee problems.

The point was that even a shot, old Ali with Parkinson's was faster than the slow as molasses Samuel Peter.

Sorry, one cannot show how good Ali was (or that he was better than boxer XYZ) by giving an example where Ali LOST.

You're seriously trying to argue that Valuev would beat Ali. Think about that for a moment.

Let me repeat: It's Ali vs Valuev, not prime Ali vs prime Valuev. Ali probably couldn't win a title eliminator these days, so I couldn't care less about Ali vs Valuev. I'm in this thread because the thread title says that Lennox and Klitschkos are top3 ATGs. I disagree with Vitali being top3. But I agree with Lennox being top3.

[dans]

TO EVERYONE: why are we still posting in this thread? is'nt it obvious that no matter what we say and what we do that his god like statistics will defy the odds? his equations of Bigger = Better well always prevail? Ali even though he Ko'd 50% of his opponents is a featherfist, but his hands are so heavy that they are pulled down to his waist and his ability to keep distance to opponents and not get hit (clowning) is a sheer mockery to boxing! honestly people, That Big Russian man is huge, he would totally own Ali, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Patterson and any other fighter in boxings past useing Knn's logic.

TO KNN: Your high as a f*king kite sir!

Great post. People like knn are better off ignored. I'll do as you say.

[StarshipTrooper]

Nonsense. Athletes were during Louis' times. Everybody "harpoons beached whales" nowadays.

Why did Wladimir you spin? It WAS NOT TOE-to-TOE. Wlad makes it pretty clear that he wants to have his feet 2 meters away from his opponent. That's "clowning around". Wlad is a coward. If you want you can call him "Wlad the glass-chinned dragon".

Did you see much punch output? I didn't. Wlad tires because the Soviet national anthem is being played. He also doesn't sit down during the breaks, he lays down in front of Purrity, Sanders, and Brewster.

Sorry, one cannot show how good Wlad was (or that he was better than boxer XYZ) by giving an example where LOST to Purrity, Sanders, and Brewster.

Let me repeat: It's Ali vs Valuev, not prime Ali vs prime Valuev. Valuev probably couldn't win a title eliminator in those days, so I couldn't care less about Ali vs Valuev. I'm in this thread because the thread title says that Lennox and Klitschkos are top3 ATGs. I disagree with Vitali being top3 from Kiev. But I agree with Lennox being top3 from Jamaica.

Revealing post knn

[knn]

TO EVERYONE: why are we still posting in this thread?

Because Ali fans know deep inside that he is overhyped. Thus they return to knn, their source of facts.

his equations of Bigger = Better well always prevail?

Don't invent stuff.

Ali even though he Ko'd 50% of his opponents is a featherfist

Ali is featherfist because his KOratio in real heavyweight fights (= not AS a cruiser & not AGAINST cruisers) is 30%+.

but his hands are so heavy that they are pulled down to his waist and his ability to keep distance to opponents and not get hit (clowning) is a sheer mockery to boxing!

But his chin was good. And his stamina. Moreover he probably was really clairvoyant. I give him that.

would totally own Ali, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Patterson and any other fighter in boxings past useing Knn's logic.

Don't fabulate.

TO KNN: Your high as a f*king kite sir!

What is a "****ing kite"?

[StarshipTrooper]

What is a "****ing kite"?

What you're high as.

Poet

[TheGreatA]

Nonsense. That's during Louis' times. Nobody "stands around" nowadays.

I see better movement from Louis' rivals such as Billy Conn, Jersey Joe Walcott and Bob Pastor than I do from Sam Peter, Ruslan Chagaev, Tony Thompson...

Why do you spin? It WAS NOT TOE-to-TOE. Ali makes it preety clear that he wants to have his feet 2 meters away from his opponent. That's "clowning around". Ali's is a coward. If you want you can call him "Ali, the runaway kid".

When Wladimir does it it's okay though. He doesn't exactly try to stand and trade with his opponents. The man is as cautious as they come.

Did you see much output? I didn't. Ali tires because he's an overweight cruiser. He also doesn't sit down during the breaks, maybe he had knee problems.

Show me a recent fight with this kind of punch output in the 12th and final round:


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I'm afraid you won't find one.

Sorry, one cannot show how good Ali was (or that he was better than boxer XYZ) by giving an example where Ali LOST.

I said Ali was faster in his worst performance than Peter ever was.

Let me repeat: It's Ali vs Valuev, not prime Ali vs prime Valuev. Ali probably couldn't win a title eliminator these days, so I couldn't care less about Ali vs Valuev. I'm in this thread because the thread title says that Lennox and Klitschkos are top3 ATGs. I disagree with Vitali being top3. But I agree with Lennox being top3.

So now you're going back on your words and say you were actually thinking of 60 year old Ali vs Valuev...

You were the one who brought up Valuev beating Ali in the first place.

[GJC]

What is a "****ing kite"?

Don't worry about it, they aren't really really heavy so wouldn't be of interest.