Views From An Ortiz Fan....

[Pullcounter]

Let me add, imo i think this was more of a factor of experience/age rather than heart. I believe this fight will help Ortiz in the long run.

By just asking for a rematch alone, that will already make him look better. I hope a rematch is the only thing on his mind because he would prob be forgiven by other fans if he can knock Maidana out in a rematch. That's the least he can do right now.

yeah, getting revenge is essential... just like cotto needs to avenge his loss to margo

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I personally thought Ortiz had gone to god in the 5th and when he went back to his corner at the end, the signs weren't good. He got hit with a laser of a shot that he didn't go down from but it affected him big.

The sixth was just the finish.

Now, those whispers about his chin heard around so cali gyms are going to get a little louder and he will have to work his way back to dispel them.

He's got time. He's just a kid really.

[Deja_Vous]

many NSB regulars who might have come across my posts know that i hype the kid...

in a crossroads phase of boxing where older icons are winding down their careers, i look closely at prospects, potential blue chippers and some fighters that might not be on the radar...among those would-be-heirs to marquee stardom, i initially pegged two 'cant miss' fighters;

JuanMa Lopez and Victor Ortiz


charismatic, great offense, youth, fighters that can help carry the sport

well, juanma is still on course as he dispatched his rugged opponent last nite


now for Victor;




DAMN...what can i say? I can talk about the pressures of living up to the hype that many of us put on him....I can talk about the pressures of headlining a Staples Center venue....I can talk about too much too soon...but that would be ignoring what really happened last nite



Boxing fans are some of the harshest critics in all of sports IMO...every fight fan has their own criteria oh why they would 'jump on the wagon' for certain fighters...sometimes its a certain skill, a certain manner that the fighters carry themselves, sometimes its race, sometimes its geography...

but one common criteria that a majority of fights fans seek in a fighter, especially one that they will root for and 'defend' is HEART


forget HEART in the sense of fights not being made, i'm talking about in-ring HEART...you know, where they either give us our money's worth or not...



Last night, i watched a kid come in expecting, like most of us, to steamroll his 'outmatched' opponent....****, it wasn't even 30 seconds into the first round that Emmanuel Steward already started ragging on Maidana's lack of skill


Victor dropped him early and i thought it was over...like he probably did...only 10 seconds later, he was on the canvass himself and a bon-a-fide shootout had broken out


it was classic stuff...a no jab, bombs only, nut check between two guys in front of thousands


the **** that WE, as boxing fans, live for


as an Ortiz fan, i got worried when he went down...after dropping Maidana two more times in the ensuing round, i thought he had the bout under control


BUT...Maidana pulled out that something that we ALL look for; HEART....tons of it...he got dropped, did a backflip, got up and wanted more...he got dropped again, got up and wanted more


HEART...his was so BIG that it shrank Victor's...



Ortiz realized that he would probably have to kill this opponent to get the W...and as the reckless rights kept landing on his mug, his will was being taken...it got to the point that he no longer wanted to fight


all this after only 6 rounds...then he quit



i still like the kid, i think he's bright, articulate and very smart...he's got great offensive tools, a great promoter but he needs to do some soul searching


what he said in the post fight interview all made sense...as human beings we could all agree about his sense of in-ring safety

but as fight fans, those are the last words we want to hear...right or wrong, i dont want to pay or follow someone that quits during a heart-check


Ortiz did nothing to reinforce my fanhood however, in the quest to look for new fighters to root for;


Marcos 'El Chino' Maidana just earned a new fan last nite

You're a harsh critic yourself.

Are you not?

[Deja_Vous]

I personally thought Ortiz had gone to god in the 5th and when he went back to his corner at the end, the signs weren't good. He got hit with a laser of a shot that he didn't go down from but it affected him big.

The sixth was just the finish.

Now, those whispers about his chin heard around so cali gyms are going to get a little louder and he will have to work his way back to dispel them.

He's got time. He's just a kid really.

He's got time to get hit in the head...yep...lots of time.

Being a kid doesn't make him imune to powershots or make his opponents go away like the boogie man.

Maidana was TRASH..Devon Alexander would TOY with that BUM.


Ortiz can't see left hooks or right hands.

He doesn't jab.

He puts ALL his weight on his front foot..which makes him even easier to hit.

His chin is pure china.


People have been duped again..That's what happens when you're desperate for the next big thing.

[Libido Sanchez]

Hey Mak,

Well written thoughts, man.

I don't know... looking at how it went down, I don't think I will agree with those who are saying Vic has "no heart." After getting tagged, he survived the 1st round and knocked down El Chino (who deserves props) two more times in the second. That takes some heart.

Deciding to exchange in a war when he could have boxed... I don't know if that's balls, heart or ******ity or a little of all three, but that showed something there.

I don't know, it sounds like an excuse, but could this be more about immaturity than heart? Ortiz threw away any gameplan he had from the start and once it got too rugged for him he had no focus (getting smashed by crushing rights didn't help).

What I haven't been able to put into words yet, but will try now is... people were comparing Ortiz to Vargas and some kept saying how Ortiz is so young that it would be a shame if he got "ruined" before he hit his prime. Had Vic sustained a few more rounds of those kind of punches just to show "heart" it could have also possibly "ruined" him. So he saves himself and in the process loses face with a lot of boxing fans... even though we lament what happened to Vargas and wish it didn't happen.

I don't know if I'm explaining it right... but it's like, sometimes we, as boxing fans, want it all. We get disappointed in a guy that stops a brutal beating on his ass and call him a quitter, but if he keeps taking punishment to show how macho he is, he's labeled an idiot. We want future stars but get angry if a prospect stops a brutal KO that could affect the rest of his career.

I said this in another thread, but this was a damn good fight. But it seems this fight will be remembered for "Victor Ortiz quit" than what happened prior to the end.

Maybe Vic didn't quit. Maybe Maidana beat him up and won.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Hey Mak,

Well written thoughts, man.

I don't know... looking at how it went down, I don't think I will agree with those who are saying Vic has "no heart." After getting tagged, he survived the 1st round and knocked down El Chino (who deserves props) two more times in the second. That takes some heart.

Deciding to exchange in a war when he could have boxed... I don't know if that's balls, heart or ******ity or a little of all three, but that showed something there.

I don't know, it sounds like an excuse, but could this be more about immaturity than heart? Ortiz threw away any gameplan he had from the start and once it got too rugged for him he had no focus (getting smashed by crushing rights didn't help).

What I haven't been able to put into words yet, but will try now is... people were comparing Ortiz to Vargas and some kept saying how Ortiz is so young that it would be a shame if he got "ruined" before he hit his prime. Had Vic sustained a few more rounds of those kind of punches just to show "heart" it could have also possibly "ruined" him. So he saves himself and in the process loses face with a lot of boxing fans... even though we lament what happened to Vargas and wish it didn't happen.

I don't know if I'm explaining it right... but it's like, sometimes we, as boxing fans, want it all. We get disappointed in a guy that stops a brutal beating on his ass and call him a quitter, but if he keeps taking punishment to show how macho he is, he's labeled an idiot. We want future stars but get angry if a prospect stops a brutal KO that could affect the rest of his career.

I said this in another thread, but this was a damn good fight. But it seems this fight will be remembered for "Victor Ortiz quit" than what happened prior to the end.

Maybe Vic didn't quit. Maybe Maidana beat him up and won.

fair points LS...my only thing was; he was in control and i felt that his will/heart/drive began to shrink when he couldn't put out maidana...

he was ahead, winning exchanges...he had that fight but when his opponent showed HIS heart, i felt that victor should have took it....like a potential star should...


even in between rounds, when his corner was threatening to stop the fight, where was the fire? he didnt protest, he didnt even say anything...

i dont think that's the Golden Boy version they envisioned....the version that quit against a midget

[gopi11]

many NSB regulars who might have come across my posts know that i hype the kid...

in a crossroads phase of boxing where older icons are winding down their careers, i look closely at prospects, potential blue chippers and some fighters that might not be on the radar...among those would-be-heirs to marquee stardom, i initially pegged two 'cant miss' fighters;

JuanMa Lopez and Victor Ortiz


charismatic, great offense, youth, fighters that can help carry the sport

well, juanma is still on course as he dispatched his rugged opponent last nite


now for Victor;




DAMN...what can i say? I can talk about the pressures of living up to the hype that many of us put on him....I can talk about the pressures of headlining a Staples Center venue....I can talk about too much too soon...but that would be ignoring what really happened last nite



Boxing fans are some of the harshest critics in all of sports IMO...every fight fan has their own criteria oh why they would 'jump on the wagon' for certain fighters...sometimes its a certain skill, a certain manner that the fighters carry themselves, sometimes its race, sometimes its geography...

but one common criteria that a majority of fights fans seek in a fighter, especially one that they will root for and 'defend' is HEART


forget HEART in the sense of fights not being made, i'm talking about in-ring HEART...you know, where they either give us our money's worth or not...



Last night, i watched a kid come in expecting, like most of us, to steamroll his 'outmatched' opponent....****, it wasn't even 30 seconds into the first round that Emmanuel Steward already started ragging on Maidana's lack of skill


Victor dropped him early and i thought it was over...like he probably did...only 10 seconds later, he was on the canvass himself and a bon-a-fide shootout had broken out


it was classic stuff...a no jab, bombs only, nut check between two guys in front of thousands


the **** that WE, as boxing fans, live for


as an Ortiz fan, i got worried when he went down...after dropping Maidana two more times in the ensuing round, i thought he had the bout under control


BUT...Maidana pulled out that something that we ALL look for; HEART....tons of it...he got dropped, did a backflip, got up and wanted more...he got dropped again, got up and wanted more


HEART...his was so BIG that it shrank Victor's...



Ortiz realized that he would probably have to kill this opponent to get the W...and as the reckless rights kept landing on his mug, his will was being taken...it got to the point that he no longer wanted to fight


all this after only 6 rounds...then he quit



i still like the kid, i think he's bright, articulate and very smart...he's got great offensive tools, a great promoter but he needs to do some soul searching


what he said in the post fight interview all made sense...as human beings we could all agree about his sense of in-ring safety

but as fight fans, those are the last words we want to hear...right or wrong, i dont want to pay or follow someone that quits during a heart-check


Ortiz did nothing to reinforce my fanhood however, in the quest to look for new fighters to root for;


Marcos 'El Chino' Maidana just earned a new fan last nite

That was a good post P, and I won't take it against Victor if he decided to quit for his own safety, but he should have kept it to himself. He should have gave props to his conqueror, just like what he did, but he shouldn't have given reasons why he decided to quit. The words that came out from him was the last thing we all want to hear from a boxer. Nobody forced him to be in the hurt business, just like us who opted for other things to pursue because we couldn't take the hurt that will surely come from this business...

[gopi11]

maidana looks like half pinoy or somethin.

Marcos Maidana is the long lost brother of Glenn Donaire! LMAO