So losing=overrated?

[skullduggery]

It doesn't come close to changing the fact that, the thread you made is overrating a fighter.

Posters read that thread, then watch this fight... and they feel he is overrated, and you assisted in that.

Not because he lost..

Because he was being promoted, by you, to beat Nate Campbell, Ricky Hatton, and Timothy Bradley... "fairly easily".

And again I will say, you aren't the sole reason, but you assisted in it.

me assisting in overrating ortiz doesnt change the fact that ppl all of a sudden feel hatton was overrated now... ppl feel that cotto is over the hill, and ppl feel that kelly pavlik is overrated.... its not just ortiz by far... ortiz is just the most recent

[THE REED]

me assisting in overrating ortiz doesnt change the fact that ppl all of a sudden feel hatton was overrated now... ppl feel that cotto is over the hill, and ppl feel that kelly pavlik is overrated.... its not just ortiz by far... ortiz is just the most recent

People may have overrated Hatton, but he lost to two of the absolute best fighters..

People may have overrated Pavlik, but he was the MW champion and he fought at 170lbs against Bernard Hopkins.

People may feel Cotto is over the hill, which may or may not be true, but he has been through a lot of wars for his age.

Your thread was based on Ortiz losing to a tough opponent, not being reason enough for Ortiz to be over-rated.

And you are right, it isn't... making a thread saying the things you said, is.

[skullduggery]

People may have overrated Hatton, but he lost to two of the absolute best fighters..

People may have overrated Pavlik, but he was the MW champion and he fought at 170lbs against Bernard Hopkins.

People may feel Cotto is over the hill, which may or may not be true, but he has been through a lot of wars for his age.

Your thread was based on Ortiz losing to a tough opponent, not being reason enough for Ortiz to be over-rated.

And you are right, it isn't... making a thread saying the things you said, is.

okay u assumed im talking about ortiz... but u just said it.... hatton lost to the best.... he was still considered overrated based solely on the losses..... same for pavlik and cotto.... its a pattern here reed.. im sure ppl were writing off vernor after the mayorga fight, which is bull****

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If you'd like to get off the hook on a technicality by saying you weren't talking about Victor Ortiz in this thread... then fine.

Point is, you overrated him, you helped in people thinking he was overrated..

You seem to keep going off on seperate fighters and seperate subjects.

No, losing doesnt mean you are overrated.

OVER----RATING, someone... means you are "over-rated".



If nobody was rating him, or over-rating him... nobody would be saying he is overrated..

[skullduggery]

If you'd like to get off the hook on a technicality by saying you weren't talking about Victor Ortiz in this thread... then fine.

Point is, you overrated him, you helped in people thinking he was overrated..

You seem to keep going off on seperate fighters and seperate subjects.

No, losing doesnt mean you are overrated.

OVER----RATING, someone... means you are "over-rated".



If nobody was rating him, or over-rating him... nobody would be saying he is overrated..

makes sense.....

so it would be safe to say that victor ortiz is over-rated by me...

but the question was based on the fact that if victor would have won, ppl would have been on the band wagon and you know it..... its almost like losing completely deletes how ppl felt prior to the fight.

[THE REED]

makes sense.....

so it would be safe to say that victor ortiz is over-rated by me...

but the question was based on the fact that if victor would have won, ppl would have been on the band wagon and you know it..... its almost like losing completely deletes how ppl felt prior to the fight.

If he would of won, I still would of felt he was overrated... getting floored, getting hit... repeatedly, by the same punch.. and not adapting.

And Maidana is no Timothy bradley or Nate Campbel.

Take away the loss, give him the win... He was still being overrated.



Now that doesnt mean he can't get better, I was commenting on your statement of.. "right now".

[The Dreamer]

What I said was, you assisted in people thinking he is overrated.

It's totally unfair to single out just one poster though and put the blame solely on him. The way the media/promotional company handles a young fighter has a hand in that too. They package up this young prospect with a story (oh, you gotta have a great story, the people eat it up), start calling him this and that, then all of a sudden that trickles down to the fans and you hear them repeating what the media/promotional company is saying about this young prospect.

So then you get a case where a young prospect doesn't just look "promising" (which is where prospects should be "rated" in my opinion until they've proven themselves otherwise as they climb the ladder). Instead, he's supposed to be the next Golden Boy and this and that.

Forget the outcome of the fight, building up any prospect to any sort of grandiose expectations when they're only 22, is overrating. That puts a lot of pressure on fighters too. If being themselves was hard enough in this sport, sometimes they have to try to be what others want them to be as well.

[skullduggery]

If he would of won, I still would of felt he was overrated... getting floored, getting hit... repeatedly, by the same punch.. and not adapting.

And Maidana is no Timothy bradley or Nate Campbel.

Take away the loss, give him the win... He was still being overrated.



Now that doesnt mean he can't get better, I was commenting on your statement of.. "right now".

maidana obviously has the power to change a fight, and want bradly floored bu hot, and man with like 13 ko;s or some **** like that? whos to say maidana cant beat bradley? And fighters have bad nights, it happens.... i dont think ortiz is overrated, i still see that p4p potential in him, and the guy he lost to was no push-over.

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It's totally unfair to single out just one poster though and put the blame solely on him.

I didnt say you were the sole reason, I said you assisted.

No, I am pretty sure I was exact in what I said.

I said making a thread that states Victor Ortiz "fairly easily" beats Timothy Bradley, Nate Campbell, and Ricky Hatton... will definitely assist in making posters on this forum feel that he is being overrated.

You can say Maidana is a "tough opponent"... but if he is... what exactly is Timothy Bradley and Nate Campbell?

And Victor Ortiz should beat them fairly easily?


What I said was, you assisted in people thinking he is overrated.

It doesn't come close to changing the fact that, the thread you made is overrating a fighter.

Posters read that thread, then watch this fight... and they feel he is overrated, and you assisted in that.

Not because he lost..

Because he was being promoted, by you, to beat Nate Campbell, Ricky Hatton, and Timothy Bradley... "fairly easily".

And again I will say, you aren't the sole reason, but you assisted in it.

...............

[THE REED]

maidana obviously has the power to change a fight, and want bradly floored bu hot, and man with like 13 ko;s or some **** like that? whos to say maidana cant beat bradley? And fighters have bad nights, it happens.... i dont think ortiz is overrated, i still see that p4p potential in him, and the guy he lost to was no push-over.

3 Pages back you agreed you have overrated him, now you don't think he is.

Maidana does not beat Bradley or Campbell... if you believe that, then that is your opinion.