so here is my question.....

[THE REED]

p4p hell yea..... clottey isnt just going around knocking out ppl in his division, even though he's huge for it......

Nobodys talking about P4P.

Straight up, Maidana hits harder than Clottey?


Are you really trying to say what Cotto went through for 12 rounds wasn't worse then what Ortiz went through?

Are you arguing in order to defend that?

[baracuda]

one was a cut where the ref asked him if he could continue and he said that he could not see and the other was a cut that, in itself, did not stop the fight but an absence of the will to continue did- that is the difference between the 2.

the difference is that guerrero was'nt even in any kinda of danger when he said he could'nt see which was a bs although i believe was a smart move...ortiz took alot of beating and was in a serious trouble right before he quit......guerrero was a bigger ***** than tonight's ortiz imo...

[Pullcounter]

the difference is that guerrero was'nt even in any kinda of danger when he said he could'nt see which was a bs although i believe was a smart move...ortiz took alot of beating and was in a serious trouble right before he quit......guerrero was a bigger ***** than tonight's ortiz imo...

yeah guerro wasn't even hurt... ortiz was badly buzzed.