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  • MaYaN_SuN
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    Damn, Ortiz fought like an amateur..

    He could have put this guy out anytime he wanted, but I don't even think he knew how. I mean what the **** was up with all that awkward forward movement!? He'd come walkin in sloppy with his hands all over the ****in place. But I knew he had a left and right hook, but I think it's obvious now that's all he has, plus he was eatin Maidana's right hand since the first round. It's crazy cause I watched a lot of Ortiz' fights, and he really didn't look like he had that diverse of an arsenal at all. It was always the same punches from him. Vargas fought the same way, but he had far more defensive savvy and it didn't make that many mistakes with his feet at all. Ortiz looked like he was trippin over himself, walkin in throwin low punches, and Maidana would just come right over the top with Ortiz's chin stickin out with a bullseye on it. I don't know, I think Ortiz has the strength and speed to be a fighter, but he's just not a fighter. He seems like too nice and cool of a guy, I mean in the last round he goes out to touch gloves and Maidana just puts leather in his face lmao, that **** said a lot. There's nothin wrong with that though, if he can have more fun outside of the ring than maybe he should call it a career. I mean Ortiz was the bigger guy, stronger guy, and he had absolutely no answer for anything once Maidana started to have success. lol That's not a good sign at all...


    And what the **** was up with exploiting his upbringing? Like shovin that **** down everyones throats everytime he's on TV? Everyone has problems ranging from family problems, to any other kind of problems. Now Is it just me or aren't you suppose to keep that **** within your own family? Since Oscar, I think if you're a good lookin Mexican-American kid with skills in boxing, the first thing they're gonna do is exploit the **** out of you lol. But you gotta be able to back it up. I'm thinkin as short lived as the Mexican-American boxing scene was with Oscar and Vargas, fighters from Mexico, guys who dig the dirt out of their nails and master soo many clever punches and their own styles, they'll continue to produce more thorough fighters. lol These kids in the states get GUBAR'd (gassed up beyond any recognition) and end up with no discipline or hunger.

    Anyways, my prediction for Ortiz is that he won't fight for a couple years or so, then he'll want to come back, but I can't see him actually bein that improved as a fighter when he comes back. I mean he could come back improved, he's got the strength and speed, he just needs to master his own body and find what punches are his best and how to set them up with feints etc etc, instead of fightin like a mindless bully. But the actual chances of that happening are slim. lol It was fun watchin him while it lasted though.
  • MakeDamnSure
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    #2
    All hype... biggest hypejob

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    • Ainokea
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      It's pretty sad, but not unprecedented. The same thing happened to Francisco "Panchito" Bojado. You guys remember him? He was so hyped up early in his career and he started reading his newspaper clippings and that was that. Just quit. Will Ortiz do the same??? Who knows. HBO is going to have a long talk with GBP & then we'll see what happens with Ortiz. Ortiz sounded either really high or punch drunk during the post-fight interview. lol.

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        #4
        Originally posted by MaYaN_SuN
        He could have put this guy out anytime he wanted, but I don't even think he knew how. I mean what the **** was up with all that awkward forward movement!? He'd come walkin in sloppy with his hands all over the ****in place. But I knew he had a left and right hook, but I think it's obvious now that's all he has, plus he was eatin Maidana's right hand since the first round. It's crazy cause I watched a lot of Ortiz' fights, and he really didn't look like he had that diverse of an arsenal at all. It was always the same punches from him. Vargas fought the same way, but he had far more defensive savvy and it didn't make that many mistakes with his feet at all. Ortiz looked like he was trippin over himself, walkin in throwin low punches, and Maidana would just come right over the top with Ortiz's chin stickin out with a bullseye on it. I don't know, I think Ortiz has the strength and speed to be a fighter, but he's just not a fighter. He seems like too nice and cool of a guy, I mean in the last round he goes out to touch gloves and Maidana just puts leather in his face lmao, that **** said a lot. There's nothin wrong with that though, if he can have more fun outside of the ring than maybe he should call it a career. I mean Ortiz was the bigger guy, stronger guy, and he had absolutely no answer for anything once Maidana started to have success. lol That's not a good sign at all...


        And what the **** was up with exploiting his upbringing? Like shovin that **** down everyones throats everytime he's on TV? Everyone has problems ranging from family problems, to any other kind of problems. Now Is it just me or aren't you suppose to keep that **** within your own family? Since Oscar, I think if you're a good lookin Mexican-American kid with skills in boxing, the first thing they're gonna do is exploit the **** out of you lol. But you gotta be able to back it up. I'm thinkin as short lived as the Mexican-American boxing scene was with Oscar and Vargas, fighters from Mexico, guys who dig the dirt out of their nails and master soo many clever punches and their own styles, they'll continue to produce more thorough fighters. lol These kids in the states get GUBAR'd (gassed up beyond any recognition) and end up with no discipline or hunger.

        Anyways, my prediction for Ortiz is that he won't fight for a couple years or so, then he'll want to come back, but I can't see him actually bein that improved as a fighter when he comes back. I mean he could come back improved, he's got the strength and speed, he just needs to master his own body and find what punches are his best and how to set them up with feints etc etc, instead of fightin like a mindless bully. But the actual chances of that happening are slim. lol It was fun watchin him while it lasted though.
        Typical mexican, are you related to Chavez?

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        • MaYaN_SuN
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          #5
          Originally posted by Ainokea
          It's pretty sad, but not unprecedented. The same thing happened to Francisco "Panchito" Bojado. You guys remember him? He was so hyped up early in his career and he started reading his newspaper clippings and that was that. Just quit. Will Ortiz do the same??? Who knows. HBO is going to have a long talk with GBP & then we'll see what happens with Ortiz. Ortiz sounded either really high or punch drunk during the post-fight interview. lol.
          Bojado's lack of discipline was around weight. Bojado had defensive savvy, ring savvy, he just didn't have his weight discipline down. That **** made him sluggish later in his career.

          Ortiz, had power, had work ethic, he just had nooooooo savvy at all. I mean he looked like those guys in MMA when they try to strike. Ortiz just wen't into bully-mode and walked forward throwin punches that he was gettin no leverage off of.

          So basically.......

          Bojado and Ortiz had the thing that the other didn't have lmao. But yeah, thats why I think Mexican fighters out of Mexico will continue to produce the more thorough Mexican fighters. Those guys live for the ****, like Maidana lives for the ****. They'll perfect their styles south of the border, and they'll spend time perfecting their clever punches.

          Mex-American fighters, with the exception of Oscar really stick to that one thing. Plus they're made out to be superstars before they're even on that level.

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          • MaYaN_SuN
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            #6
            Originally posted by BMWM3P
            Typical mexican, are you related to Chavez?
            Yeah bro, lol that's my tio..

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            • BMWM3P
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              #7
              Originally posted by MaYaN_SuN
              Yeah bro, lol that's my tio..
              That would explain all the excuses and the willingness to quit.

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              • MaYaN_SuN
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                #8
                Originally posted by BMWM3P
                That would explain all the excuses and the willingness to quit.
                Excuses or reasons? lol If you think anything in life is "official" cause you can't see the angles, then you're a ****in moron.

                As for Ortiz' willingness to quit, which he sounded like he wanted to do, I'm not gonna judge him for that. lol That's your job. Ortiz is a cool ass kid, he's tooo cool. He never came out the gate talkin all kinds of bull****. He came out the gate calm and humble. And I don't think it's wise to get in the ring based on past anger or whatever the ****. You have to get in the ring with a clear head and game plan. You can't get in all angry and ******. And Maidana is the perfect fighter to make you pay for fighting ******, he's got pop, he's tough, but at the same time he'd be easy to beat if you had the attributes that a fighter like Ortiz had. It's just you gotta be able to utilize those atributes, Ortiz couldn't. Dude looked lost and confused when he couldn't muscle it out.

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                • skullduggery
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by MakeDamnSure
                  All hype... biggest hypejob
                  angulo was a much bigger hypejob... ortiz has a great amatuer backround, and has been around for yours....... angulo hasnt had 20 fights and was already headlining for hbo

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                  • MaYaN_SuN
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Katz
                    ahahhaah! right on the button
                    Lmao You're lil filipino frame would probably look better in a 16 year old girl's cheerleader's uniform, than in "boy" clothing. lol Nice to see you actin the part as well

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