Mohammed Ali vs Holyfield - who would win?

[knn]

the dude had to grab the ropes several times vs valuev as he moved around just to stay up, and he was tko'd by toney, a man who wouldnt come close to hurting him in his prime

I believe Evan Fields when he says that this was a shoulder issue (that now has healed).

but skill and attribute wise, no way is he still in a good state, watch him in his prime, accurate, fast, rock solid chin, good skills when he used them

Aside from the Tyson and Bowe fights... any particular fight in your mind?

Moreover this thread is not about "Prime Ali vs Prime Fields".

[gingeralbino]

A lot depends on the referee. I think Ali should win a decision after getting headbutted every time he goes to clinch. Which could be a lot of headbutts if its an after prison Ali.
It would be interesting to see how it played out. Holyfield would frustrate Ali like mad.

[knn]

and as for your last point, his low number of fights can be attributed to his level of competition

Oh, of course. Whatever Wladimir does now is only possible because current division sucks. Whatever Evan Fields did then was possible because he is an ATG.

and how many hard battles he fought in

It's Evan's own fault when he gets beaten up by his opponents.

the reason wlad has had so many fights is because he fought a ton of bums before he won the title

There we go again.

[RightCross94]

I believe Evan Fields when he says that this was a shoulder issue (that now has healed).


Aside from the Ali and Bowe fights... any particular fight in your mind?

Moreover this thread is not about "Prime Ali vs Prime Fields".

umm

second moorer fight he showed power in demolishing him
first tyson fight he followed a perfect gameplan
qawi fights he showed grit and maturity beyond his years/experience
foreman fight he moved and boxed well mostly
douglas fight he displays a bit of power

[RightCross94]

Oh, of course. Whatever Wladimir does now is only possible because current division sucks. Whatever Evan Fields did then was possible because he is an ATG.


It's Evan's own fault when he gets beaten up by his opponents.


There we go again.

id like to see wlad fight 4 times a year against the kind of comp holy faced....lol he got ktfo 3 times against the mediocre comp hes faced, how many times would he get ktfo against the dudes holy faced

thats just a ****** comment, sometimes you have to stand in and go toe to toe, you wouldnt know that because you've never boxed and worship bitchko

[CRESCENDOPOWER]

Ali 88 times out of a hundred. Holy had a ****load of heart though.

[dans]

id like to see wlad fight 4 times a year against the kind of comp holy faced....lol he got ktfo 3 times against the mediocre comp hes faced, how many times would he get ktfo against the dudes holy faced

thats just a ****** comment, sometimes you have to stand in and go toe to toe, you wouldnt know that because you've never boxed and worship bitchko

Remember Kostya, it's all about the median career record of the competition. And oh yeah, KO percentages.

[RightCross94]

Remember Kostya, it's all about the median career record of the competition. And oh yeah, KO percentages.

oh yes how could i forget, forgive me tunney and knn

[knn]

id like to see wlad fight 4 times a year against the kind of comp holy faced....

4 times a year?
Why is it that I always catch good-old-times-nostalgists spreading falsehoods?

Since Evan turned heavy he has not fought 4 times in a single year.

He has not even fought THREE TIMES in a single year, except his first year as a heavy (1988) and now 2007.

DON'T INVENT STUFF. Evan is LAZY.

And competition like whom? I don't think here are too many who assume that Wlad could lose (like Evan lost) against

• Moorer
• Ruiz
• Toney
• Chris Byrd

Instead Wlad beat the man who beat Moorer (Castillo), Wlad beat the man who beat Toney (Sam Peter), and Wlad beat the man who beat Ruiz (Chagaev).

The only debatable win-opponents are Tyson and Rid**** Bowe, with Tyson being too small to pose a danger and Rid**** being too ***** to fight Wlad. Foreman was 42+ years old when Evan beat him, as was Larry holmes.

Is this the competition you talk about?

thats just a ****** comment, sometimes you have to stand in and go toe to toe, you wouldnt know that because you've never boxed and worship bitchko

Pure hater's comment.

[knn]

Remember Kostya, it's all about the median career record of the competition. And oh yeah, KO percentages.

Oh, I forgot. It's also about the "Heart" and "Ringmanship".

"In the golden past fighters had heart!"

Nostalgists resort to such intangible features like "heart" and "ringmanship" when they have to face the dire reality of ACTUAL RECORDS.

But "Patriotism" is worthless when the country sucks. And "Heart" is worthless when the record sucks.