Wladimir Klitschko - The closest thing to Muhammad Ali

[R.Winky Wright]

A one-legged slow sprinter is a one-legged sprinter (half-blind featherfist Frazier).

A 34-19 boxer is a bum now and then (Jimmy Young).


They probably mostly came from some malfunctioning background (slums, disrupted families etc). How would that be better than nowadays?


That's why a unified champ nowadays is so much more worth than back then.


That's why Wlad doesn't want to do PPV. Because PPV kills boxing.


Half of his opponents would walk through Ali's opponents. With maybe 2 or 3 exceptions like Lyle, Foreman and Chuvalo.


Because Wlad cleaned out the division.


Noone knows who would win that bout. Wlad's record is approx. twice as good as Vitali's. If you think that Wlad would pose no problem for Vitali then I think you are mistaken. But that's pure speculation on my part and on your part.


I disagree. Ali's era was filled with former cruisers and sub-cruisers. His opponents wouldn't start boxing nowadays because they'd know they had no chance against nowadays heavies.

Let me repeat what I wrote in another post:

Just the fact alone that a guy with Parkinson (Ali) fights a chinny featherfisty 6-0 bum (Spinks) for the heavyweight world title shows you the real state of the HW division in the 70ies.

This is OBVIOUSLY and OBJECTIVELY so much worse than nowadays division that I don't need to elaborate.

I have yet to make up my mind what is actually worse: That a 6-0 bum WINS against a champ with Parkinson, or that the champ with Parkinson wins against the bum in the rematch.

dude... you take this way to personal... ha... there is nothing that can be said to because you make uncouth remarks that hold very little weight. It's fine to have your opinion, but as for Ali's Era how may ATG where there in comparison to Wlads...

As for competing sports trying to gain talented athletes such as MMA, Football, Basketball are forerunners in gaining athletic talent as opposed to boxing which is clearly in it's twilight.

I'm not sure where your sprinter with one leg analogy holds up. I was clearly making a point comparing the athletes of then and now... so you comment was completely off topic. (comparison was sprinters now run faster than sprinters then... nothing to the tone of being one legged tho i do know Frazer was blind in one eye)

The "probably" come from malfunction homes... I'm not sure i follow your argument? How does an upbringing of some define how good of a boxer they are? And considering that no one will know, how is that pertinent to the subject of discussion???

Wlad hasn't cleaned out the division... clearly his brother is a title holder, but considering that Vitali is a better fighter and they will never fight he hasn't completed the task of unifying all the belts.

Also consider that fact that Ali was banned from boxing during the Vietnam war for 3 years during the prime of his career.

holes man holes in your argument... and as for Parkinson remarks, clearly tells me the level of person I am trying to relate to.

[The_Demon]

well this thread is clearly not a joke even though im laughing reading some of the replys.wlad shouldnt even be mentioned in the same breathe as muhammed ali FFS

[R.Winky Wright]

Ali's legacy

Muhammad Ali defeated almost every top heavyweight in his era, which has been called the golden age of heavyweight boxing. Ali was named "Fighter of the Year" by Ring Magazine more times than any other fighter, and was involved in more Ring Magazine "Fight of the Year" bouts than any other fighter. He is an inductee into the International Boxing Hall of Fame and holds wins over seven other Hall of Fame inductees. He is also one of only three boxers to be named "Sportsman of the Year" by Sports Illustrated.

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As for competing sports trying to gain talented athletes such as MMA, Football, Basketball are forerunners in gaining athletic talent as opposed to boxing which is clearly in it's twilight.

Football, MMA, Basketball are mainly US sports. Hardly anyone is interested in them outside of the US.

Thus if you are talking about the "weak pool" then you are obviously talking about the "weak US pool" and not the weak boxing pool in general.

The "probably" come from malfunction homes... I'm not sure i follow your argument?

How can pasttime boxers be better if they have been raised on poor nutrition (slums). Of course nowadays boxers are better with better nutrition and better science.

For everybody it's obvious that athletes nowadays are better than 40 years ago. Yet, for the boxing fan somehow those 60ies athletes are superior. This is ridiculous.

Wlad hasn't cleaned out the division... clearly his brother is a title holder, but considering that Vitali is a better fighter and they will never fight he hasn't completed the task of unifying all the belts.

Yes, that's true.

Also consider that fact that Ali was banned from boxing during the Vietnam war for 3 years during the prime of his career.

Judging by Ali's non-existing defense it was for his own good that he stayed away from boxing for 3 years. Just like Vitali Klitschko said: Sometimes it's not clear whether it's better to box for a few years or to make a break for a few years. That's especially true in heavyweight boxing.

holes man holes in your argument... and as for Parkinson remarks, clearly tells me the level of person I am trying to relate to.

You didn't point out any holes. Just that you disagree. I asked for fight & round, you didn't deliver yet.

[The_Demon]

Football, MMA, Basketball are mainly US sports. Hardly anyone is interested in them outside of the US.

Thus if you are talking about the "weak pool" then you are obviously talking about the "weak US pool" and not the weak boxing pool in general.


How can pasttime boxers be better if they have been raised on poor nutrition (slums). Of course nowadays boxers are better with better nutrition and better science.

For everybody it's obvious that athletes nowadays are better than 40 years ago. Yet, for the boxing fan somehow those 60ies athletes are superior. This is ridiculous.


Yes, that's true.


Judging by Ali's non-existing defense it was for his own good that he stayed away from boxing for 3 years. Just like Vitali Klitschko said: Sometimes it's not clear whether it's better to box for a few years or to make a break for a few years. That's especially true in heavyweight boxing.


You didn't point out any holes. Just that you disagree.

you know nothing about boxing.bye

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well this thread is clearly not a joke even though im laughing reading some of the replys.wlad shouldnt even be mentioned in the same breathe as muhammed ali FFS

Yup, he is so superior to Ali.

But I disagree with you. Both are Ring Champs and multiple title holders, so one can compare them, although Ali fails basically in every point, except that he didn't duck anyone, just like Wlad.

[knn]

you know nothing about boxing.bye

Hahaha, so predictable, exactly as I wrote in post #125.

I asked for fight & round to prove his point, instead I received Bad Karma from british_fan, what a coward.

[The_Demon]

Hahaha, so predictable, exactly as I wrote in post #125.

I asked for fight & round to prove his point, instead I received Bad Karma from british_fan, what a coward.

i dont need to give you a fight or a round
look at the era muhammed ali fought in,end of
theres no comparison sorry kid,no matter what u say

[R.Winky Wright]

Football, MMA, Basketball are mainly US sports. Hardly anyone is interested in them outside of the US.

1)Thus if you are talking about the "weak pool" then you are obviously talking about the "weak US pool" and not the weak boxing pool in general.

2)How can past time boxers be better if they have been raised on poor nutrition (slums). Of course nowadays boxers are better with better nutrition and better science.

3)For everybody it's obvious that athletes nowadays are better than 40 years ago. Yet, for the boxing fan somehow those 60ies athletes are superior. This is ridiculous.


Yes, that's true.


4)Judging by Ali's non-existing defense it was for his own good that he stayed away from boxing for 3 years. Just like Vitali Klitschko said: Sometimes it's not clear whether it's better to box for a few years or to make a break for a few years. That's especially true in heavyweight boxing.


You didn't point out any holes. Just that you disagree. I asked for fight & round, you didn't deliver yet.

1) MMA OR K1 Fighting isn't exclusive to the US.

2) to compare a progression of one time to the next is flawed. If you do then you would have to have it set in such a manner that what if fighters then had availability to the "science" we have now dealing with nutrition. For it to be a comparison. It equates to me comparing future heavyweights to now... hindsight is always 20/20.

3) as said prior everybody at that time wanted to be a boxer, there was no mma or lucrative contracts in other sports to compete to become heavyweights. So bearing in mind at that time it was much more competitive than it is now. would you say so? Would you say that boxing now is as big as it has ever been? If not would you argue the point it has more competition? (it can't, it doesn't hold as much prestige as it did then, so how would it have a wider base to draw from? It can't)

4) that's not really much of a point. Your comparing Ali past his prime. Comparing him to the Ali of prior to having his boxing license revoked (who had impeccable defense using his footwork to evade punches) He changed what it was to fight like a Heavyweight which bears it's imprint on this post and on boxing. Is Wlad the closest thing to Ali- which subsequently remarks on Wlad's Homage to what Ali was, and that, was his being great.

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KNN, you clearly have a strong, personal opinion about this, which you are certainly entitled to. Just realize that everyone who reads it is similarly entitled to laugh at you.