Wladdy is Mediocre At Best.

[THE REED]

There's no reason to hate on Wlad really... as far as fighting the best.. he's pretty much fighting anyone and everyone in his division... unfortunately there is no REAL threats.

There may be decent threats, but nobody where I am like... NOW HE could beat Wlad..... No.

MAYBE Haye... but even Haye may end up getting knocked out, he is unproven.



WLAD COULD throw a left hook or maybe a body shot though?

[THE REED]

In 2009 he sure is... He .. like everyone else looked pretty ordinary in there.. But I give Credit to Wlad for not allowing his opponents to"Fight their fight" rather than saying "he didn't fight his fight".. Couldn't and Didn't don't mean the same thing, Sir..

As a Roy Fan you should understand something about dominance.. How you dominate is not the Point.. Only that you do dominate..and if you dominate despite being flawed and vulnerable.. even more credit is warranted

All that sounds like a great post... but he wasnt an A class fighter... I give him B or B+


A class fighters have the ability to adjust... it wasnt as if Wlad was throwing all these different things at him... it was the same thing over and over and over...

how about a counter punch to the jab? you know its coming? how about even ATTEMPTING the counter? maybe it wont work but how about you try it?

A class fighters can adjust... even if they fail... they try to adjust.

[Welter_Skelter]

Rahman=C level
Ibragimov=C level
Brock=C level
Ray Austin=D level
Old Ass Byrd=F level
One eyed Brewster=F level
Chagaev=C+ level (and thats being kind)
DaVarryl Williamson=D level (Wladdy escaped that fight on a technicality)
Corrie Sanders=C level
Ross Purrity=D level.


I rest my case.

You haven't answered my questions.. Only spewed more hate.. You see what you want to see.. and that is your right.. But don't expect me to respect you.. Bye..

[JACK D. RIPPER]

There's no reason to hate on Wlad really... as far as fighting the best.. he's pretty much fighting anyone and everyone in his division... unfortunately there is no REAL threats.

There may be decent threats, but nobody where I am like... NOW HE could beat Wlad..... No.

MAYBE Haye... but even Haye may end up getting knocked out, he is unproven.



WLAD COULD throw a left hook or maybe a body shot though?

Thats my whole point. He's mediocre. The divisions terrible and he goes ten rounds with journeymen and paper champions.
And he only knows how to throw 1-2's to boot, lol.

[Njord777]

I guess, but he never got hit at all and still let a stiff survive for 10+ rounds.

That was weak and put everyone at my house to sleep.

I agree with the frustration a lot of you are communicating because I share it- but I'm not going to deny Wladimir has the skills to get the sharp, devestating KO's. Further, I'm not going to support his lack of attempts to finish an opponent. We all know what it looks like when someone probes for the knockout, can't find it, and goes back to boxing. We've seen boxers chin-check their opponent; ****, go back and we've seen Wladimir's offense test many boxers. The fact is- we know what he can do. We've seen the power, the offensive aresenal in past fights. His worries about the "old" Wlad coming back- the one with stamina issues, an unsteady chin, and a rocky career, well, they've led him to be safety oriented. To be cautious and methodical; and to win. Personally, I'd prefer to see a slightly modified version of the older version rather than the guy who shows up in the Boss trunks nowadays.

I don't really see how we can put our heads in the sand and not admit Klitschko could knock out guys he choses not to- or at the very least confess that he's not even attempting to finish some of these guys. Emmanuel has yelled at him a few times for that. I also can't understand where, having as many fights as he has- with so much footage of him to look at- we can deny his skills. He's fighting tall now- has an amazing jab- and he's shown the ability to adjust his style since his previous losses. If he could combine that with his old offense we'd see something truly special, I think.

I guess what I'm saying is, I don't belong to either of two groups emerging; I don't really support his recent tactics, and I'm frustrated by him but I also don't discredit his ability or talent. If I thought he was nothing but a tall guy with a jab I wouldn't be mad that he doesn't finish these guys because I'd know he couldn't. He can, though.

If Wladimir throws a few nice performances where he finishes a guy who is asking to be put to sleep before he retires- I'll give him the nod for it and call him a very solid technical heavyweight who had a tendency to err towards caution after his near career-meltdown of the Purrity-Sanders-Brewster era.

[JACK D. RIPPER]

You haven't answered my questions.. Only spewed more hate.. You see what you want to see.. and that is your right.. But don't expect me to respect you.. Bye..

You can call it hate if you want. But that list speaks for itself.

Bye.

[Welter_Skelter]

There's no reason to hate on Wlad really... as far as fighting the best.. he's pretty much fighting anyone and everyone in his division... unfortunately there is no REAL threats.

There may be decent threats, but nobody where I am like... NOW HE could beat Wlad..... No.

MAYBE Haye... but even Haye may end up getting knocked out, he is unproven.



WLAD COULD throw a left hook or maybe a body shot though?

The difference being.. is that you Blame Wlad for having no threats instead of crediting him for having no threats..

Chagaev is a threat to every heavyweight in the world right now not named Wladimir Klitschko..

that makes Chagaev an A class fighter in 2009.. and 2009 is all we have.. so don't go time travelling on me please..

It's not that everyone else sucks, Reed.. it's that he is just that good

[Scott9945]

I am a serious boxing fan. Thats why sparring sessions like this piss me off. Wlad is a hesitant, *****footing stiff.
For a guy that big he fights like a *****.

I'm done with him.

If that fight looked like a sparring session to you, it was because Wladimir turned an undefeated heavyweight champion into his sparring partner.

[THE REED]

The difference being.. is that you Blame Wlad for having no threats instead of crediting him for having no threats..

Chagaev is a threat to every heavyweight in the world right now not named Wladimir Klitschko..

that makes Chagaev an A class fighter in 2009.. and 2009 is all we have.. so don't go time travelling on me please..

It's not that everyone else sucks, Reed.. it's that he is just that good

Who is time traveling?

I didn't say everyone else sucks... WELTER.



But how many elite level fighters are in this division?

Wlad is good... but THAT good? how about a Left hook? an uppercut? how about ONE body shot? just ONE.... show me SOMETHING...


Im not trying to **** on the man, he dominated his fight... so full credit.. but his opponent was a punching bag from round 2 and on.... show me SOMETHING else besides 37 jabs and 6 right hands...

Am I not entitled to that opinion?

[JACK D. RIPPER]

I agree with the frustration a lot of you are communicating because I share it- but I'm not going to deny Wladimir has the skills to get the sharp, devestating KO's. Further, I'm not going to support his lack of attempts to finish an opponent. We all know what it looks like when someone probes for the knockout, can't find it, and goes back to boxing. We've seen boxers chin-check their opponent; ****, go back and we've seen Wladimir's offense test many boxers. The fact is- we know what he can do. We've seen the power, the offensive aresenal in past fights. His worries about the "old" Wlad coming back- the one with stamina issues, an unsteady chin, and a rocky career, well, they've led him to be safety oriented. To be cautious and methodical; and to win. Personally, I'd prefer to see a slightly modified version of the older version rather than the guy who shows up in the Boss trunks nowadays.

I don't really see how we can put our heads in the sand and not admit Klitschko could knock out guys he choses not to- or at the very least confess that he's not even attempting to finish some of these guys. Emmanuel has yelled at him a few times for that. I also can't understand where, having as many fights as he has- with so much footage of him to look at- we can deny his skills. He's fighting tall now- has an amazing jab- and he's shown the ability to adjust his style since his previous losses. If he could combine that with his old offense we'd see something truly special, I think.

I guess what I'm saying is, I don't belong to either of two groups emerging; I don't really support his recent tactics, and I'm frustrated by him but I also don't discredit his ability or talent. If I thought he was nothing but a tall guy with a jab I wouldn't be mad that he doesn't finish these guys because I'd know he couldn't. He can, though.

If Wladimir throws a few nice performances where he finishes a guy who is asking to be put to sleep before he retires- I'll give him the nod for it and call him a very solid technical heavyweight who had a tendency to err towards caution after his near career-meltdown of the Purrity-Sanders-Brewster era.

I've been supporting him his whole career and waiting for something like this, but it dawned on me tonight that it will never happen. The guy is so frustrating to watch.
I dont deny that he has skills, but he's so apprehensive and tentative with his approach that its almost irrelevant how skilled he is.

And considering how weak the division is it further diminishes him for allowing these fights to last so long.