The myth of Cotto being a bigger draw than Mosely

[oldhammad]

I feel like I am doing the boxing version of the Discovery Channels Mythbusters. People will believe what they hear if they hear it enough. We always hear, don’t fight Sugar Shane Mosley, he isn’t a big draw. He doesn’t sell tickets…etc. I decided to do a little research and I found that yes Miguel Cotto has out sold Mosley in tickets in New York City and out East. And I also found out that yes Shane Mosley can’t sell out a fight when he fights Luis Collazo. I also found out that the 2 biggest crowds in Staples Center history involved Shane Mosley. But forget gate attractions for a second. I decided to look at PPV buys, and I was astounded by what I found. Folks it is even close, Shane Mosley’s PPV numbers are double that of Miguel Cotto. Yes, he has 2 fight with Oscar De La Hoya. But even if you take those fight out, he still out sells Miguel Cotto. I did a break down of 5 PPV events of Shane Mosley and 4 of Miguel Cotto, and like I said, numbers don’t lie my friends.

Miguel Cotto PPV

Paul Malignaggi 2006–
*Less then 150K Buys
Estimated total.

Zab Judah 2007–
*220K Buys
Estimated Total

Michael Jennings 2009
Less then 150K Buys
*Estimated Total

Margarito
450K Buys
*Estimated Total

Average of 243K Buys

Mosley PPV Buys

De La Hoya I–2000
588K Buys
*Estimated Total

De La Hoya II–2003
950K Buys
*Estimated Total

Vargas I–2006
415K Buys
*Estimated Total

Vargas II-2006
350K Buys
*Estimate Total

Estrada-2005
225K Buys
*Estimated Total

330K Average without De La Hoya
505K Average with De La Hoya

I will take out the De La Hoya fights because we all know De La Hoya was the draw there. But for people who say Vargas was the draw when he fought Mosley. Remember De La Hoya-Vargas did 935K Buys and Mosley-De La Hoya II did 950K Buys. So that squashing that argument. For what it is worth Mosley-Cotto did 350K Buys. But you have to ask the question, who carried that card for PPV purposes. It was a 130K Buy increase from Cotto’s fight with Zab Judah, a 59% increase with Mosley on the card.

There is no doubt Miguel Cotto is a huge draw in New York City. He can sell tickets better then almost in any fighter in the business. But being good in a niche market doesn’t neccessary make you a bigger draw.

One more thing before I close. Shane Mosley-Antonio Margarito did a 3.9 rating, and had 1.9 million viewers compared to 1.68 million viewers for Miguel Cotto-Joshua Clottey, according to boxingtruth.com. and the Nielson ratings.(HBO had a Free Preview this past weekend, thus more potential viewers) Sorry the numbers don’t lie. Shane Mosley is a bigger mainstream draw then Miguel Cotto, thus will be a bigger draw if a Pacquiao fight takes place in Las Vegas. Numbers don’t lie.

(I did not write this - I am not able to post links yet - it was from Boxing24.com)

[Animalistic]

Is not a myth dude Cotto is a bigger draw than Mosley. He has a bigger fan base and PPV numbers don't mean **** because Vargas and De La Hoya were the draws.

[TonyJ]

2 of the Cotto ppvs were TopRank PPV's against bums. How can you compare this to two fights with Fernando Vargas who had a big community behind him.
Mosley-Mayorga didn't sell 1000 tickets and was removed from PPV to WCB because the figures were so embarassing.
TODAY Cotto is by far the bigger draw without any doubt.

[Animalistic]

I feel like I am doing the boxing version of the Discovery Channels Mythbusters. People will believe what they hear if they hear it enough. We always hear, don’t fight Sugar Shane Mosley, he isn’t a big draw. He doesn’t sell tickets…etc. I decided to do a little research and I found that yes Miguel Cotto has out sold Mosley in tickets in New York City and out East. And I also found out that yes Shane Mosley can’t sell out a fight when he fights Luis Collazo. I also found out that the 2 biggest crowds in Staples Center history involved Shane Mosley. But forget gate attractions for a second. I decided to look at PPV buys, and I was astounded by what I found. Folks it is even close, Shane Mosley’s PPV numbers are double that of Miguel Cotto. Yes, he has 2 fight with Oscar De La Hoya. But even if you take those fight out, he still out sells Miguel Cotto. I did a break down of 5 PPV events of Shane Mosley and 4 of Miguel Cotto, and like I said, numbers don’t lie my friends.

Miguel Cotto PPV

Paul Malignaggi 2006–
*Less then 150K Buys
Estimated total.

Zab Judah 2007–
*220K Buys
Estimated Total

Michael Jennings 2009
Less then 150K Buys
*Estimated Total

Margarito
450K Buys
*Estimated Total

Average of 243K Buys

Mosley PPV Buys

De La Hoya I–2000
588K Buys
*Estimated Total

De La Hoya II–2003
950K Buys
*Estimated Total

Vargas I–2006
415K Buys
*Estimated Total

Vargas II-2006
350K Buys
*Estimate Total

Estrada-2005
225K Buys
*Estimated Total

330K Average without De La Hoya
505K Average with De La Hoya

I will take out the De La Hoya fights because we all know De La Hoya was the draw there. But for people who say Vargas was the draw when he fought Mosley. Remember De La Hoya-Vargas did 935K Buys and Mosley-De La Hoya II did 950K Buys. So that squashing that argument. For what it is worth Mosley-Cotto did 350K Buys. But you have to ask the question, who carried that card for PPV purposes. It was a 130K Buy increase from Cotto’s fight with Zab Judah, a 59% increase with Mosley on the card.

There is no doubt Miguel Cotto is a huge draw in New York City. He can sell tickets better then almost in any fighter in the business. But being good in a niche market doesn’t neccessary make you a bigger draw.

One more thing before I close. Shane Mosley-Antonio Margarito did a 3.9 rating, and had 1.9 million viewers compared to 1.68 million viewers for Miguel Cotto-Joshua Clottey, according to boxingtruth.com. and the Nielson ratings.(HBO had a Free Preview this past weekend, thus more potential viewers) Sorry the numbers don’t lie. Shane Mosley is a bigger mainstream draw then Miguel Cotto, thus will be a bigger draw if a Pacquiao fight takes place in Las Vegas. Numbers don’t lie.

(I did not write this - I am not able to post links yet - it was from Boxing24.com)

Mosley faced Margarito who was huge after he beat Cotto. Cotto face Clottey who nobody had any idea who he was until he faced Cotto. So the fact that Cotto carry that fight to 1.68 mill is incredible and better than the Mosley vs Margarito fight at 1.9.

[Animalistic]

2 of the Cotto ppvs were TopRank PPV's against bums. How can you compare this to two fights with Fernando Vargas who had a big community behind him.
Mosley-Mayorga didn't sell 1000 tickets and was removed from PPV to WCB because the figures were so embarassing.
TODAY Cotto is by far the bigger draw without any doubt.

The dude is an idiot he has no idea how popular Vargas was.

[BMWM3P]

Mosley can't draw flies, he's always been playing second fiddle to the main atractions he's fought. Vargas, DLH were the reason why those PPV sold.

[savorduhflavor]

Haha, this guy serious? Look at the opposition. Cotto hasn't fought DLH. Vargas was also a really big draw. Cotto carried a PPV by himself to 450K, Mosley hasn't done that.

And of course Mosley-Margarito did more, Mosley's a big name and Margarito was pretty big coming off of the Cotto win. Who's Clottey? Mainstream America had no idea who he was.

You can't just look at numbers, there are so many other variables. Cotto brings more money than Mosley.

[taker1570]

cotto is a higher draw then mayweather...because his fight with JMM only sold 3,000 tix...lol. so is mosley. so are a lot of people apparently.

[Animalistic]

This thread has officialy fail!

[oldhammad]

Woah, I'm a Cotto fan, look at my sig!

I only posted it because some people thought he was a bigger draw - I know Cotto's a bigger draw.