Cotto/Mosley vs Pac at jr. welterweight

[joenypr]

Pac is #1 p4p, this is not disputable. Right now, with the exception of maybe Mayweather, he is the biggest draw in the sport, which is why I do NOT think he should move up in weight to fight my two favorite fighters of right now, Cotto and Mosley. Hear me out...

How many weight divisions does Pac need to move up to prove he is an all-time great? None. He has done enough already, he is the man to beat, he is on top of the sport, so I believe Cotto and Mosley need to go down to him if they want this fight. I understand the hardship of making weight, but if they want to fight the best, the best should not have to move up for it to happen.

My main reason for this opinion is because of all the bs excuses I read everyday. I am not a fan of catchweights, I don't think they should even exist. Cotto/Mosley, you want to fight the best, then go to him. A win for either of the two could not be dismissed with bs excuses, and even a close loss would be better then making the man move up again and beating him. I am a Cotto fan, a fan of Mosley, but first and foremost I am a fan of boxing, I believe in a fight at jr. Welterweight

[PittyPat]

If Pac is so great, he should go to their territory where they've been for years - hence, no excuses about his opponents being drained. No problem, right? Thought so.

[joenypr]

For years? What are you even talking about? Pac's opponents are suppose to be below the jr. Welterweight division, yet he is the jr. Welterweight champ. Let me guess, he should fight PW at 154 after moving to 147? Then maybe challenge B-Hop? Weight drain is a *****, but Pac is the man, he's already moved up at an incredible rate, I'm not even a Pac fan, I just call it how I see it, obviously you are blind

[PittyPat]

If I were blind, I wouldn't be seeing your BS. Unfortunately, I am. Pac had no trouble moving up for DLH, so why shouldn't he make it a nice fair fight with Cotto and Shugs at 147? He's obviously fine at the weight, but those guys could potentially become useless below it.

So, for it to be a good fight, 147 all the way. If he doesn't like those breaks, fight guys more realistically at 140 (i.e. that JMM re-rematch).

PWill at 154? Shush. That guy can come down to 147 willingly and easily, so that's a different matter. If Cotto and Shugs know that their abilities won't be as effective below 147, then that's perfectly legit. Pac knows he's fine at 147, so it's his prerogative to move in that direction.

[COTTO1990]

cotto wont do 140 again, he used to rocked off the strangest of punches when he was a lww. mosely might go to 143/4 just my opinion!

[MANGLER]

Pac is to small for WW, and Cotto and SSM are too big for JWW. They shouldn't be fightin Pac at all.

[PittyPat]

Pac is to small for WW, and Cotto and SSM are too big for JWW. They shouldn't be fightin Pac at all.

What I've thought from day one since hearing about these 'match-ups'.

I can understand Pac's desire to get a couple of more big money fights, but... eehh. I can dig him and Mayweather and/or JMM, but Cotto and Mosley would just be wrong. I can't ever get my head around the idea.

[joenypr]

If I were blind, I wouldn't be seeing your BS. Unfortunately, I am. Pac had no trouble moving up for DLH, so why shouldn't he make it a nice fair fight with Cotto and Shugs at 147? He's obviously fine at the weight, but those guys could potentially become useless below it.

So, for it to be a good fight, 147 all the way. If he doesn't like those breaks, fight guys more realistically at 140 (i.e. that JMM re-rematch).

PWill at 154? Shush. That guy can come down to 147 willingly and easily, so that's a different matter. If Cotto and Shugs know that their abilities won't be as effective below 147, then that's perfectly legit. Pac knows he's fine at 147, so it's his prerogative to move in that direction.

Yes, but it was DLH, who had no business fighting. I do agree that he should fight realistic fights if they won't come to him, but just because he fought a over the hill DLH at 147 doesn't mean he is able to fight the rest of the welters at that weight.

If Shane n Cotto can't fight at jr welter, then I say let the welters fight the welters and the jrs fight the jrs, no ****** catchweights.

[PittyPat]

If Shane n Cotto can't fight at jr welter, then I say let the welters fight the welters and the jrs fight the jrs, no ****** catchweights.

In which case hopefully Arum and co, along with GBP and Shugs, will see sense. :thumb1:

Pac's had a great run moving up all these weights (it genuinely astounds me), but if he's plateaued at 140-147 then he should focus on getting the best possible deal for those weights specifically - rather than trying to get everyone to meet him in the middle like some special case. Hell, I wouldn't mind him going back down to 135... but there's nobody there with a big enough name.

[joenypr]

Pac is to small for WW, and Cotto and SSM are too big for JWW. They shouldn't be fightin Pac at all.

Couldn't agree more, but as much as it shouldn't happen, it will. If Pac moves up and loses then all's we will get is excuses