HBO: Miguel Cotto 33-1*

[Mr. Fantastic]

u kats is crazy...lol this is my first day on the forums but i've been to the site alot before today...i love this ****!! (no ****)

Hey bro, I really don't hate Ricans. I just hate its hardcore nuthuggers. When I say "Ricans" that's who I really mean.

Welcome by the way.

[rape]

so me saying you're lame for thinking i give a **** about red karma is getting personal? i'm glad to know you're that much of a sensitive little trick. pull your skirt down homie.

This dude got his ass whooped. And you can cry all you want. 33-Margarito!!

only in your little world chicano. the intelligent boxing fans have it as.

33-1*

sorry.

Don't you mean the Cotto fans and HBO, who is the network Cotto boxes for??

Next!!

lemme guess...

all cotto nut huggers right? lmao.

OOHHH SO YOU WANT TO GO THERE??? Why don't you pull the one that think Trinidad cheated?? Since you want to go there with the public opinion.

why dont i? maybe because we arent discussing that. lmfao.

we can discuss tito and his cheating when that is the topic of discussion. but everytime you find yourself cornered in the margacheato scandal you point off to tito. repetitive and predictable. find a new out for when you're trapped.

this is what i call ownage

[Mr. Fantastic]

so me saying you're lame for thinking i give a **** about red karma is getting personal? i'm glad to know you're that much of a sensitive little trick. pull your skirt down homie.

The Irony!!!

[rape]

u kats is crazy...lol this is my first day on the forums but i've been to the site alot before today...i love this ****!! (no ****)

you'll learn to hate chicanito in due time. he's sore cause his hero is a cheater.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

Geez to many Cotto Nuthuggers and Hatters ruined a potentially good thread

Basically there will be a question mark over that win no doubt untill Margaritto beats him again if they fight. This is good for Cotto confidence or should be (we will see vs Clottey).

But my issue is if they start putting * over this were does it stop? i thought the Holt head butt on Torres was an utter disgrace but its still a loss for the dude, we gonna put * over every debatable loss now? were someone cheated or was injured.

Now again im gonna bring this up plaster doesn't harden till 6th round or later rounds from what i heard. Marg broke Cotto nose in 2nd and was hitting him alot now as i said before never boxed never had a broken nose.. But that **** got to slow you down with breathing, throwing back punches, defending and running back (not like a chicken).

Imo opinion Cotto must be very happy to have this Marg cheat **** storm came up cause plaster or not his game plan was terrible and he got hurt very early.

[Mr. Fantastic]

this is what i call ownage

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...light=Trinidad

And this is just the only recent one from Trinidad. But you don't think he cheated cause he's Rican right??

[RRICAN]

The Irony!!!

dammn chicano beign here all day ahhh

[mECHsLAVE]

Hehe. This whole thread is ******. Just sit back for one second and think of the logic of what you're suggesting. When a fighter is caught attempting to cheat, then his past wins (where he was not caught cheating in any way whatsoever) are going to be asterisked?

It's utterly absurd. I understand, everyone is all over Cotto's nuts again, and all excited about Margarito cheating and being suspended, blah blah blah. But seriously. Settle down and think about what you're suggesting. Someone commits a crime, and all of his legal past is condemned? LOL

Oh, and yes it's actually a VERY similar situation to Tito-Hopkins. Tito's hands were examined and described as feeling like a "cast" prior to the fight. So he was made to re-wrap them in front of an official or he couldn't fight. He fought with the re-wrapped hands, got KO'd. So hey, why not asterisk that Vargas win? Why stop there? Joppy?

And why discriminate between attempting to cheat with illegal substance in your gloves, or illegal substances in your body? Why should one necessitate an asterisk and the other not? After all, both are illegally cheating to help you hurt your opponent more and win the fight.

And if you want to talk about "knowing" a fighter cheated but not being able to prove it. Mosely himself is the prime example. I mean, the guy was a BALCO client. Ahem!!! (cough cough). Yeah, exactly. There's no pro-athlete client of BALCO's that wasn't using the new engineered steroids. So Mosely, we know as a roider in the past, even though he's never failed a drug test that we know of. So let's hand him a suspension and some asterisks while were at it!!

I hope the absurd logic of this "asterisk" is finally starting to sink in...

[Ray Ray]

so me saying you're lame for thinking i give a **** about red karma is getting personal? i'm glad to know you're that much of a sensitive little trick. pull your skirt down homie.

This has to be weakest, most lamest come back I've ever seen....And so what...I'll hit ya fat ass again with it...what you gone do to me...Reach through the screen and choke me out??

I got you mad dont it fat boy?!?!

You mad aint it?!?! You mad ehhhh??!?!?!

[The_Italian]

good read. i honestly don't care about a fighter's record. too much stock is put in that zero. what matters is what the fighter does in the fight at hand.

i agree with you.

Once the "0" is gone does NOT mean you arent a good fighter anymore.

Most of the greats do lose...infact retiring undefeated (against top quality competition) is almost unheard of. its extremely rare...marciano...and MAYBE mayweather (mattering on how tough of competition he faces since his return now to the sport.

all the greats have lost: ali, SRR, SRL, etc. etc. etc. (we could go on forever really).

the 0 doesnt mean a whole lot to me...




i like the article though. it says whats been said by the fans on the forum, in the bars, etc.

The win by margarito over cotto is questionable because in margarito's next fight he was caught with loaded wraps and his hands were re-w****d and you all seen the difference...margarito v. mosley looked VERY different from cotto v. margarito.

And there is a control in this equation. COTTO. cotto has fought both margarito AND mosley. and in just one fights time margarito looked like a much different fighter.

Mosley basically had his way with margarito but cotto struggled heavily after the 7th round. from rounds 1-7 i had cotto winning all but one round if i remember right...i think there is an arguement for those who believe margarito cheated in the cotto fight...

you seen what happened in the first half of the fight...cotto was winning nearly all the rounds on superior boxing ability...if margarito's hands were wrapped it could prove as to why cotto folded late.

however you have to be ready to accept the possibility that MAYBE margarito DID NOT illegally wrap his hands for the cotto fight. you just never know.

I do think sometime in the near future a rematch between the two needs to take place for a few reasons:

A) The fight was highly entertaining and competitive (it was FOTY in my book)

B) There is now the question of did margarito wrap his hands illegally in the first fight to earn himself the win. A rematch would settle this issue...especially if cotto's camp does their job and keep a close eye on margarito and his camp while his hands get wrapped.

C) the popularity/money factor. it makes for a crowd pleasing fight and the names will bring in the PPV numbers.

so you see everyone wins should this fight take place.


One thing i dont believe we'll ever get to the bottom of is whether or not margarito cheated in the cotto fight or any other fight before the mosley fight. remember everyone, he could have used the wraps only against mosley and thats when he got caught...or he could have used them for years...

I try not to lean too much on it being one way or the other.

until a rematch takes place it would be unfair to 100% believe margarito cheated or that cotto lost fairly.