Just how good was Prince Naseem?

[J !]

great post and spot on, though prince promotions was also run by others not just his bro, but he was the manager yip, Raith, I belive his name was, never heard a nice word about him.
from anyone.

Splititng with Ingle was a ****** thing to do, he made hamed and his best years were with Brendon. His ego becomae too big though as we know. Suarez taking over wasnt a smart move neither bloke is a yes man and is presently doing a good job of ruining Popo Freitas too.

Naz could have been an all time top five feather if he had showed some humility and gone back to Brendon to avenge his barerra debacle, got back to the basics and done what he was good at.

But sadly he couldnt, the ego wouldnt allow it, he couldnt admit he was wrong in many of his ways like he nevr came to terms that he had lost.
His attitude after the Calvo fight was a PR disaster (you dont call the people who have paid to see you fight ignorant). T
hat was the last straw to see people who formally cheered him on boo him was too much for the already bruised pride and ego.

hence he retired and he will stay retired.

[JOM'S]

prime naz smacks the **** out of pac im afraid inside 5.
You go toe to toe with the Prince ytou lose, he hit harder than pac at feather.

Barerra showed the way to beat hamed frsutrate him box him and keep him at arms length pacquio doesnt have the boxing skills to do that.

Pacquio despiute his adulation on this board has proved very little at featherweight, he beat a faded barerra well, and los agianst tmarquez after having his man in the first.( even though it was a draw I had marquez by two rounds)
not a pac hater think the guy is great but some of you guys need a reality check.

yeah we need reality check here, but i think so do you...

Naz in five that's a laugh, I know that's your opinion, but i guess we will never be sure who will win if this two guys meet at their primes...

for now i am certain Naz greatness as a FW is a closed book and he will or could no longer add anything on this book...

but Pac's book is just in the very well in first few pages and pretty much open, upcoming fights will show more to his greatness, i am sure he will prove all doubter worng...

Please note, I also have JMM up by two rounds, 7 rounds for JMM & 5 Rounds for Pac, and with the 10-6 first round i have Pac winning by one point 113-112, but I settled with the draw and is eagerly waiting for the re-match to settle the score...

[markosg19]

still wish he'd come back though cause the buzz of watching a naz fight in the mid 90s was unlike any other!!! People like him and Trinidad are needed so badly in boxing at the moment.

[JOM'S]

great post and spot on, though prince promotions was also run by others not just his bro, but he was the manager yip, Raith, I belive his name was, never heard a nice word about him.
from anyone.

Splititng with Ingle was a ****** thing to do, he made hamed and his best years were with Brendon. His ego becomae too big though as we know. Suarez taking over wasnt a smart move neither bloke is a yes man and is presently doing a good job of ruining Popo Freitas too.

Naz could have been an all time top five feather if he had showed some humility and gone back to Brendon to avenge his barerra debacle, got back to the basics and done what he was good at.

But sadly he couldnt, the ego wouldnt allow it, he couldnt admit he was wrong in many of his ways like he nevr came to terms that he had lost.
His attitude after the Calvo fight was a PR disaster (you dont call the people who have paid to see you fight ignorant). T
hat was the last straw to see people who formally cheered him on boo him was too much for the already bruised pride and ego.

hence he retired and he will stay retired.

This is one another reason I could not give Naz his due, he was the prime target of our Luisito Espinosa,WBC champion then, the prince was supposed to be the biggest pay check for a Filipino Fighter ever, with the manipulation of Prince Promotion and a promise of the mega buck fight???, the fight never materialized...

Espinosa was decisioned by Sotto (heard that was robbery, but i am not sure) and Sotto got the chance to face the Prince...

Prince-Espinosa fight would have been amazing, during that time two of the hardest hitting fighter in the div...

[J !]

mate no disrespect but 5 rounds for Pac? Try the first (which was erroneously scored 10-7 the 2nd and the tenth. thats it mate)

that was all he won five round where did you get five rounds from?

watch the fight again and truthfully tell me pacquio won five seperate rounds.

lets look then score it 10-6 first round, he won another two rounds that gives pac 111 - Marquez won the rest apart from what was stated = 114

If pacquio is som amazing he should have dealt with marquez comfortably. but he didnt.

Im not a naz fan a marquez in fact more than anything a pacquio fan, but really this constant over estimation of his deeds to date and what he may yet do are getting a bit much for me.

so far he has done nothing other than beat an aging barerra and luckily escape with a draw at featherwight hardly the makings of a future legend is it....

Sorry mate I do respect you and your views and I enjoy talking to you but its a bit much at present!!!

ill bew eager to give him credit when and where its due but at the moment he is being well overhyped.

[J !]

This is one another reason I could not give Naz his due, he was the prime target of our Luisito Espinosa,WBC champion then, the prince was supposed to be the biggest pay check for a Filipino Fighter ever, with the manipulation of Prince Promotion and a promise of the mega buck fight???, the fight never materialized...

Espinosa was decisioned by Sotto (heard that was robbery, but i am not sure) and Sotto got the chance to face the Prince...

Prince-Espinosa fight would have been amazing, during that time two of the hardest hitting fighter in the div...

mate boxing is a business also, its not simply bout who fights who, Naz was getting big money for fighting in the states or agianst the americans here, he was big box office, he was the name not espinoza he also got his ass kicked by augie sanchez who naz beat after standing tie to toe so if thats the form guide no wonder they didnt make the fight.

[JOM'S]

mate no disrespect but 5 rounds for Pac? Try the first (which was erroneously scored 10-7 the 2nd and the tenth. thats it mate)

that was all he won five round where did you get five rounds from?

watch the fight again and truthfully tell me pacquio won five seperate rounds.

lets look then score it 10-6 first round, he won another two rounds that gives pac 111 - Marquez won the rest apart from what was stated = 114

If pacquio is som amazing he should have dealt with marquez comfortably. but he didnt.

Im not a naz fan a marquez in fact more than anything a pacquio fan, but really this constant over estimation of his deeds to date and what he may yet do are getting a bit much for me.

so far he has done nothing other than beat an aging barerra and luckily escape with a draw at featherwight hardly the makings of a future legend is it....

Sorry mate I do respect you and your views and I enjoy talking to you but its a bit much at present!!!

ill bew eager to give him credit when and where its due but at the moment he is being well overhyped.

Also no disrespect intended but maybe you are being blinded by the over hyping that you see, that's why you don't give the guy enough credit, pac will have a long time to prove his worth starting with Pac-JMM 2....

just like to give my arguments to your points, Pac started and became World Champ at Flyweight now he is campaigning as FW, barely three fight at this weight he already **** with two of the best featherweights on the planet...

aging barerra, thats the an escape hatch, he was the best then, the guy considered king, but many said he got old during the fight, MAB-EM III will show where he really is, hope he beat EM or at least give a war, just to make a point...

now really, you see the pac-jmm fight as 9-3, and just gave pac 1,2 & 10 all the other rounds to JMM....I think you gave all the close rounds to JMM, I also watched it several times, even counted the punches that landed, trying to be unbiased as possible came up with 7-5, we can go on and on with this fight and would not agree on what we see, we are just like the two judges who gave 110-115 in different direction, so I have to let the fighters themselve settle this for us, on PAC-JMM II ...

[JOM'S]

mate boxing is a business also, its not simply bout who fights who, Naz was getting big money for fighting in the states or agianst the americans here, he was big box office, he was the name not espinoza he also got his ass kicked by augie sanchez who naz beat after standing tie to toe so if thats the form guide no wonder they didnt make the fight.

The Prince was really the big name, thats why he was the big mega bucks fight for Luisito that I was hoping to see, but alas that will never be...

I have to add a sad note here Luisito, got robbed in a title defense in the Philippines, he won the fight but never got the money, up to this time somebody owes him 100k, worst he is still fighting in the US and trying to make a living...

[JOM'S]

IF that Prince-Espinosa fight had happen, whatever the outcome, Luisito could have retired long time ago, secured & contended...

[J !]

as always you make some valid points that make me think, i do enjoy sparring with you.

maybe i do react so much due to some of the opinions I hear flaoted around that ar ea bit OTT, perhaps I am being too much in the opposite direction I dunno.

I did guive the close rounds to marquez but I assure you I was totally impartial, I know that as a big fan cant possibly be (please dont take that as a criticisim I am the same aobut my favourite fighters) its totally natural.

It is indeed tragic if that situation is ongoing mayube I undersatand the slight hint of bitterness towards Naz, I have the same regarding him messing aorund Michael Brodie for 18 months.

fair enough as always Jomapac, respect to you and your opinions think we've done this one for now