Question for people who say Margarito cheated against Cotto

[F l i c k e r]

fdtorres do you have proof of this? Because from my knowledge, Cotto simply stated "I will fight whoever they(arum) want me to fight." Avoiding the question of fighting Williams all together.

Anyways. Its a small chance that Margarito cheated in any other fight. Why? Because wraps and gloves are inspected and approved ONLY after the coach of the opponent has no problem with them. So, if anyone says Margarito cheated previously, then their(Cotto, Williams, Clottey etc.) coaches decided to allow significant damage be dealt to their fighters.

[KnockMeOut]

Nobody can prove that he cheated in the Cotto fight. But nobody can prove he didnt either. He got caught so people will normally question his other wins, no way around it. Him doing it with Mosley means he doesnt respect the rules and could have done it before.

[fdotorres]

WTF are you talking about. Williams beat Margarito. Cotto got KOd. Williams has won titles is the same amount of divisions as Cotto (2). Williams has more career victories & KOs. Williams is better than Cotto deal with it.

hehehe there's no need to insist in pasting the same argument. this is it right? we can drop the discussion anytime you like

[Ravishing]

Regardless of anyone's opinion, the Cotto vs Margarito match with have a black cloud over it for a very long time. Of course there's no physical proof that Margarito did indeed use Plaster in the Cotto fight, but thats where simple logic you gain when you become an adult (which by this thread some haven't quite reached that stage yet) comes into play. I have a tough time believing Margarito and his camp prepped to use plaster in this fight and not against Cotto. One of the posters here made a statement about Cotto's team being at fault for not properly checking Marg's gloves or for not checking them at all, but isn't that a sign of guilt right there?

Public perception wins in this case as many observers and experts don't mention Cotto vs Margarito WITHOUT mentioning the scandal.

For what its worth, the thread starter seems to have nothing better to do than to antagonize fans of Cotto or anyone in general to get his "E-Points" up.

Awesome job there sport. Mom and Dad must be proud.

[AntonTheMeh]

deal with it. I'm sure he could have found a can like kolle at welter.he did not.he moved up.deal with that.

[fdotorres]

fdtorres do you have proof of this? Because from my knowledge, Cotto simply stated "I will fight whoever they(arum) want me to fight." Avoiding the question of fighting Williams all together.

Anyways. Its a small chance that Margarito cheated in any other fight. Why? Because wraps and gloves are inspected and approved ONLY after the coach of the opponent has no problem with them. So, if anyone says Margarito cheated previously, then their(Cotto, Williams, Clottey etc.) coaches decided to allow significant damage be dealt to their fighters.

proof of what? i never mentioned anything about cotto/williams.

but clottey said that a fight with williams was being explored but there was no answer form their part

quintana also tried to make a rubber match, but there was no interest from them either. they just decided to move up and use the "no one want no part of me" excuse

[F l i c k e r]

Regardless of anyone's opinion, the Cotto vs Margarito match with have a black cloud over it for a very long time. Of course there's no physical proof that Margarito did indeed use Plaster in the Cotto fight, but thats where simple logic you gain when you become an adult (which by this thread some haven't quite reached that stage yet) comes into play. I have a tough time believing Margarito and his camp prepped to use plaster in this fight and not against Cotto. One of the posters here made a statement about Cotto's team being at fault for not properly checking Marg's gloves or for not checking them at all, but isn't that a sign of guilt right there?

Public perception wins in this case as many observers and experts don't mention Cotto vs Margarito WITHOUT mentioning the scandal.

For what its worth, the thread starter seems to have nothing better to do than to antagonize fans of Cotto or anyone in general to get his "E-Points" up.

Awesome job there sport. Mom and Dad must be proud.

It isn't a sign of guilt. Its saying, If your coach had no problem with the wraps, then it was never their. Freddie Roach even complained of ODLH putting too much wrap on his knuckles. So how can someone overlook a block being placed in the wraps? (what they said was in marg's wraps before mosley fight)

Not only does the coach of an opposing fighter need to approve. The comission must approve as well. So, in 44+ fights, not a single individual except ****m Richardson had a problem with the wraps. That tells me the chance that Margarito had ever attempted to use plaster before is easily 1/10.

This is where logic comes in. 1 out of 43 fights had problems with the wraps. The chance of him ever using it before is so miniscule that you cant even accuse him of using it before. This is the same thing the Commision was thinking about when evaluating the case. Thus he was suspended.

[PR Boxer]

Cotto has mentioned in a lot of interviews that the reason that they can't take legal action against Margarito is because they never sent a person from his camp to see Margarito wrap his hands. In other words the Cotto camp never checked Margarito's wraps before the fight, and if you say "oh but a commisioner is there seeing the handwrapping" then may I remind you that in the Margarito - Mosley fiasco when Richardson spotted the loaded wraps he called the commisioner and the commisioner said the wraps were fine, so Richardson had to calll in the top dog to actually check Margarito's wraps and gloves, in other words the commisioners don't know **** about handwrapping.

[Ravishing]

It isn't a sign of guilt. Its saying, If your coach had no problem with the wraps, then it was never their. Freddie Roach even complained of ODLH putting too much wrap on his knuckles. So how can someone overlook a block being placed in the wraps? (what they said was in marg's wraps before mosley fight)

Not only does the coach of an opposing fighter need to approve. The comission must approve as well. So, in 44+ fights, not a single individual except ****m Richardson had a problem with the wraps. That tells me the chance that Margarito had ever attempted to use plaster before is easily 1/10.

This is where logic comes in. 1 out of 43 fights had problems with the wraps. The chance of him ever using it before is so miniscule that you cant even accuse him of using it before. This is the same thing the Commision was thinking about when evaluating the case. Thus he was suspended.

But we also do know that fighter's wraps aren't always checked, its not mandatory by the opposing team. Margarito's wraps were passed by the CSAC to begin with and ****m took it into his own hands to check for himself. Even when he suspected that wraps were a bit hard the commission rep told them they were fine until he asked to have another official check them out. Its obvious Margarito's camp did a remarkable job taping him up.

Bottom line is of course you have to protect your fighter, but it shouldn't be anyone's fault but the guilty party for loading the wraps as opposed to blaming in this case Cotto's team who like most other camps were focusing on their fighter, not what the opposing fighter could potentially be loading in his gloves.

[GreenMan]

why would margarito use plaster against mosley and not against cotto

the answer is he did in both.. he was just not caught against cotto..

guilt in court doesnt need to be "beyond reasonable doubt" all the time.. ever heard of "preponderance of the evidence"