Abraham vs Oral.......and people say Sergio Mora's a bum? Please.

[BetterCallSaul]

I don't know.

I've mixed it up with Oral quite a few times.

Afterwards I always feel really drained and sleepy.

It's a formidable foe.

One shot against Oral, an you won't be able to get up again.

[Pullcounter]

this is why the middleweight division is so boring right now.

[ßringer]

On a serious note real quick ;

It's bull**** the way Pavlik gets hated on around here for fighting a Gary Lockett here, and a Marco Antonio Rubio there.

But Abraham gets a free pass for fighting guys like Lajuan Simon, and Elvin Ayala.

Ontop of that, people were talking major **** about Kelly when he didn't look so hot against Rubio.

Yet I didn't hear a peep when Abraham looked like **** in his last fight.

Check your double standards at the door, son.

[-Hyperion-]

abraham is a bum.............................the only thing he has is power.....he sucks....

pavlik sucks too, but at least hes got some decent fundamentals and technique.....

[-MAKAVELLI-]

i always root for Oral




been a big fan of Oral since my teens



true story

[ßringer]

abraham is a bum.............................the only thing he has is power.....he sucks....

pavlik sucks too, but at least hes got some decent fundamentals and technique.....

Finally, someone admits it.

It seems that most people around here think Pavlik is this one dimensional loser, and that he's avoiding this boxing phenom known as Abraham.

When in reality ; they both kinda suck as far as real technique and skill is concerned.

That said, we still need to see them fight so we can have a unified Champion at 160.

But neither man seems to really want to do it, aside from making an occasional quote about wanting to fight the other, in the press.

[The Hammer]

Oral is better than Rubio!

He's never been stopped, and would never be KOed in the first round by his stablemate and friend Kofi Jantuah, nor in the second round by a journeyman like Saul Roman, like Rubio did! And I doubt if he'd lose a decision to Zaurbek Baysangurov.

[ßringer]

Oral is better than Rubio!

He's never been stopped, and would never be KOed in the first round by his stablemate and friend Kofi Jantuah, nor in the second round by a journeyman like Saul Roman, like Rubio did! And I doubt if he'd lose a decision to Zaurbek Baysangurov.

Please.

Just because a guy's been stopped, that makes him ****?

Manny Pacquiao got stopped twice.

I guess he sucks too, huh?

Marco Antonio Barrera got stopped.

Yeah, he really ******.

Muhammad Ali got stopped.

Damn that dude was trash.

Get real.

I'm not comparing Rubio to any of those guys, but when Rubio was stopped last, that was 5 years ago.

Prior to that, it was 8 years ago.

Quit acting like Abraham is taking on some serious threat here in Oral. It's a gimme fight if I've ever seen one. And he's just as bad as Pavlik.

[Allucard]

Finally, someone admits it.

It seems that most people around here think Pavlik is this one dimensional loser, and that he's avoiding this boxing phenom known as Abraham.

When in reality ; they both kinda suck as far as real technique and skill is concerned.

That said, we still need to see them fight so we can have a unified Champion at 160.

But neither man seems to really want to do it, aside from making an occasional quote about wanting to fight the other, in the press.

I think Pavlik has two problems, one easily fixable and the other not so much if at all. He doesn't use angles as he should and he has one gear. If the gear fails he cannot speed up the pace. Angles are easy the pace is not because part of it is related to what kind of muscular fibers you have and cardio of course.

[ßringer]

I think Pavlik has two problems, one easily fixable and the other not so much if at all. He doesn't use angles as he should and he has one gear. If the gear fails he cannot speed up the pace. Angles are easy the pace is not because part of it is related to what kind of muscular fibers you have and cardio of course.

Pretty good analysis of Kelly's problems.

I'd just like to add 2 more problems that he has, currently ;

1.) ****ty bandwagon fans who disowned him after he got schooled by an aging legend.

2.) Abraham fans who constantly downplay his opponets and performances, yet justify Abraham when he fights guys like Oral and Simon.

The latter, he can fix easily, once he gets in the ring with Arthur.