Boxing all bout money!!!!

[krispy kreme]

Boxing has always been about money.

[The Gambler1981]

Please stop with these "they always faced each other back in the days and didn't care about money" crap.

Must people always talk about the past without having studied enough of the history and what went on? Please learn more about the past. NUMEROUS fighters did not get title shots, or took forever to get one, regardless of their quality as fighters, because there was not enough money and the risk was too large.

Fighters always fought the best and didn't care about $$??? Like the way Jack Dempsey faced the top heavyweight contenders when he was champ? No, Tex Rickard said "no, no" when Dempsey finally agreed to fight Harry Wills, after being quoted (according to this issue of The Ring http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/4/47/R...03.Annual2.jpg) as saying he'd "pay no attention to colored fighters". Dempsey did enjoy "proving himself as the best" when he fought in well-paid exhibitions and making films in Hollywood while he sat on his title for 3 years.

Like the way the champions gave the legendary Sam Langford to show they were the best? No. Not enough money in a black fighter like the "Boston Tar Baby".

The way the heavyweight champions wanted to prove themselves as the best, not carrying about money, by giving title shots to the likes of Sam McVea and George Godfrey?

The way Charley Burley, ranked by The Ring as the 39th greatest fighter since 1922, was given title shots by those who wanted to "prove they were the best and didn't care about money?". Fritzie Zivic BOUGHT OUT BURLEY'S CONTRACT and never fought Burley again, while Zivic was champ at welterweight. Burley moved up to middleweight to look for a title shot (no luck). Hell, even the consensus GOAT, Sugar Ray Robinson, priced himself out of a Burley fight.

Did the light heavyweight champions in the 1940s care about proving themselves as the best by giving a shot to Ezzard Charles, a light-heavyweight so great, that he is ranked as the greatest 175 lber of them all by many historians? No, he didn't even get a shot at the LHW title. The financial reward was not worth the risk.

Did they care enough about being the best and not about money to give Archie Moore a title shot? The guy was consistently ranked as a top 3 contender (per the Ring's ratings) at light-heavyweight from 1945 on, EVERY SINGLE YEAR. When did he get his title shot? 1952. People cared so much about being the best and not about money that it only took a mere SEVEN years for a top 3 contender to get a title shot.

What about Lloyd Marshall and Jimmy Bivins? Oh, they get their "Duration" title shots. In other words, "you can be called the champ until Gus Lesenvech gets back from World War 2, then it's back to Palookaville for you".

Hell, I'm only naming a few of the fighters who never got their chances at a title, because there wasn't enough money in fighting them.

Boxing has always been a shady sport where the powers that be care about money first. Hell, the sport was basically run in the 50s by former Murder Inc member (no not Ja Rule) Frankie Carbo, and Blinky Palermo, and their shady associates in the IBC. Nowadays money still prevails, although the corruption is small compared to the 50s.

It's something fans just have to deal with.

A much more complete responce then mine, putting me to shame

[mrpain81]

Please stop with these "they always faced each other back in the days and didn't care about money" crap.

Must people always talk about the past without having studied enough of the history and what went on? Please learn more about the past. NUMEROUS fighters did not get title shots, or took forever to get one, regardless of their quality as fighters, because there was not enough money and the risk was too large.

Fighters always fought the best and didn't care about $$??? Like the way Jack Dempsey faced the top heavyweight contenders when he was champ? No, Tex Rickard said "no, no" when Dempsey finally agreed to fight Harry Wills, after being quoted (according to this issue of The Ring http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/4/47/R...03.Annual2.jpg) as saying he'd "pay no attention to colored fighters". Dempsey did enjoy "proving himself as the best" when he fought in well-paid exhibitions and making films in Hollywood while he sat on his title for 3 years.

Like the way the champions gave the legendary Sam Langford to show they were the best? No. Not enough money in a black fighter like the "Boston Tar Baby".

The way the heavyweight champions wanted to prove themselves as the best, not carrying about money, by giving title shots to the likes of Sam McVea and George Godfrey?

The way Charley Burley, ranked by The Ring as the 39th greatest fighter since 1922, was given title shots by those who wanted to "prove they were the best and didn't care about money?". Fritzie Zivic BOUGHT OUT BURLEY'S CONTRACT and never fought Burley again, while Zivic was champ at welterweight. Burley moved up to middleweight to look for a title shot (no luck). Hell, even the consensus GOAT, Sugar Ray Robinson, priced himself out of a Burley fight.

Did the light heavyweight champions in the 1940s care about proving themselves as the best by giving a shot to Ezzard Charles, a light-heavyweight so great, that he is ranked as the greatest 175 lber of them all by many historians? No, he didn't even get a shot at the LHW title. The financial reward was not worth the risk.

Did they care enough about being the best and not about money to give Archie Moore a title shot? The guy was consistently ranked as a top 3 contender (per the Ring's ratings) at light-heavyweight from 1945 on, EVERY SINGLE YEAR. When did he get his title shot? 1952. People cared so much about being the best and not about money that it only took a mere SEVEN years for a top 3 contender to get a title shot.

What about Lloyd Marshall and Jimmy Bivins? Oh, they get their "Duration" title shots. In other words, "you can be called the champ until Gus Lesenvech gets back from World War 2, then it's back to Palookaville for you".

Hell, I'm only naming a few of the fighters who never got their chances at a title, because there wasn't enough money in fighting them.

Boxing has always been a shady sport where the powers that be care about money first. Hell, the sport was basically run in the 50s by former Murder Inc member (no not Ja Rule) Frankie Carbo, and Blinky Palermo, and their shady associates in the IBC. Nowadays money still prevails, although the corruption is small compared to the 50s.

It's something fans just have to deal with.

This post should be a sticky since these threads come up once every few days. Let's not forget how Mr.P4P himself Sugar Ray Robinson would always pull out of fights if he wasn't getting the type of money he thought he deserved.

[Spacey1991]

Every sport is all about the money now, Football (Soccer), American Football, Rugby, MMA, Boxing, Baseball, whatever there all about the money. All of the sports team are there for the finances and do you think the players would play for a team without being paid a good amount?

All sports are about the money, at higher levels you become more popular and more money comes in... and then it is more important, it will always be like this.

[The Gambler1981]

This post should be a sticky since these threads come up once every few days. Let's not forget how Mr.P4P himself Sugar Ray Robinson would always pull out of fights if he wasn't getting the type of money he thought he deserved.

Yea I don't understand why people seem to think that greed is a recent invention. Or that people did not want to earn the most money possible, in the past.

It always makes me laugh to think about how would Ray Robinson be thought of in the internet age, a money hungry fighter known to be the most arrogent man alive (sounds like someone kind of familar).

[Thread Stealer]

This post should be a sticky since these threads come up once every few days. Let's not forget how Mr.P4P himself Sugar Ray Robinson would always pull out of fights if he wasn't getting the type of money he thought he deserved.

Yeah, there's a belief that the draw in Robinson-Fullmer 3 was "payback" for all the **** Ray did, as most observers had Ray winning.

He would've been a 6 time MW champ if he'd gotten the decision.

[Thread Stealer]

It always makes me laugh to think about how would Ray Robinson be thought of in the internet age, a money hungry fighter known to be the most arrogent man alive (sounds like someone kind of familar).

And a woman beater too.

Another similarity.

(sorry, couldn't resist the cheap joke).

[Spacey1991]

Please stop with these "they always faced each other back in the days and didn't care about money" crap.

Must people always talk about the past without having studied enough of the history and what went on? Please learn more about the past. NUMEROUS fighters did not get title shots, or took forever to get one, regardless of their quality as fighters, because there was not enough money and the risk was too large.

Fighters always fought the best and didn't care about $$??? Like the way Jack Dempsey faced the top heavyweight contenders when he was champ? No, Tex Rickard said "no, no" when Dempsey finally agreed to fight Harry Wills, after being quoted (according to this issue of The Ring http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/4/47/R...03.Annual2.jpg) as saying he'd "pay no attention to colored fighters". Dempsey did enjoy "proving himself as the best" when he fought in well-paid exhibitions and making films in Hollywood while he sat on his title for 3 years.

Like the way the champions gave the legendary Sam Langford to show they were the best? No. Not enough money in a black fighter like the "Boston Tar Baby".

The way the heavyweight champions wanted to prove themselves as the best, not carrying about money, by giving title shots to the likes of Sam McVea and George Godfrey?

The way Charley Burley, ranked by The Ring as the 39th greatest fighter since 1922, was given title shots by those who wanted to "prove they were the best and didn't care about money?". Fritzie Zivic BOUGHT OUT BURLEY'S CONTRACT and never fought Burley again, while Zivic was champ at welterweight. Burley moved up to middleweight to look for a title shot (no luck). Hell, even the consensus GOAT, Sugar Ray Robinson, priced himself out of a Burley fight.

Did the light heavyweight champions in the 1940s care about proving themselves as the best by giving a shot to Ezzard Charles, a light-heavyweight so great, that he is ranked as the greatest 175 lber of them all by many historians? No, he didn't even get a shot at the LHW title. The financial reward was not worth the risk.

Did they care enough about being the best and not about money to give Archie Moore a title shot? The guy was consistently ranked as a top 3 contender (per the Ring's ratings) at light-heavyweight from 1945 on, EVERY SINGLE YEAR. When did he get his title shot? 1952. People cared so much about being the best and not about money that it only took a mere SEVEN years for a top 3 contender to get a title shot.

What about Lloyd Marshall and Jimmy Bivins? Oh, they get their "Duration" title shots. In other words, "you can be called the champ until Gus Lesenvech gets back from World War 2, then it's back to Palookaville for you".

Hell, I'm only naming a few of the fighters who never got their chances at a title, because there wasn't enough money in fighting them.

Boxing has always been a shady sport where the powers that be care about money first. Hell, the sport was basically run in the 50s by former Murder Inc member (no not Ja Rule) Frankie Carbo, and Blinky Palermo, and their shady associates in the IBC. Nowadays money still prevails, although the corruption is small compared to the 50s.

It's something fans just have to deal with.

Okay your post has just gone and shat all over everyone else, nice post!

Green karma...

[The Gambler1981]

And a woman beater too.

Child also correct? That is the one bad thing Floyd has done, but strangely enough no one ever brings that up.

[Thread Stealer]

Child also correct? That is the one bad thing Floyd has done, but strangely enough no one ever brings that up.

Yeah, his son tells of one story about it in that Bright Lights, Dark Shadows documentary.

He looked up at Ray after Ray hit him and said "does that make you feel like the champ?"

Real sick, his son blamed his mother's 4 miscarriages on Ray's abuse.