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  • sandyvahra
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    Floyd's punch output enough to beat Pac?

    I've been going back & forth on this fight for awhile. Based on each guys' last 2 fights my question is how does Floyd through enough to beat Manny?

    Watching each fighters last 2 fights vs. Oscar & Hatton a couple things that I find interesting are:

    1. Floyd fight's going backwards moreso than forwards. Pac fights coming forward moreso than going backwards. Floyd may leaner cleaner shots, but in sheer quantity (be it clean, glancing, off the shoulders or to the body Floyd cannot match Pac's output, nor will he. He is a counter puncher, Pac is the aggressor. Can Floyd overcome this with sheer accuracy & slow pac down? I honestly don't think so.

    2. Floyd was able to win a SD vs. Oscar, but again it was a lot 1 punch & move out with Oscar not willing to throw. Manny will throw & not stand infront of Floyd like Oscar did. If Manny lets his hands go as usual (and i don't see why he wouldn't as he's shown he's not afraid to take a punch) based on how the crowd reacted at anything Oscar landed anywhere on Floyd will that not effect the judges? (It sure seemed to on the 1 scorecard that had Oscar winning). Manny will be a similar crowd favourite & will more than likely have the crowd reacting more than Floyd will.

    3. The hate factor. People want to see Floyd lose, so can he really get a close decisions vs. Manny who will be throwing more than Floyd? I think if there's ever a time for anyone to give close rounds to Floyd's opponent this would be it. I mean with the genuine love for Pac, and hate for Floyd how can this not be a factor from the crowd down to the judges?

    Bringing me to my conclusion, unless Floyd KO's Manny (which I don't see happening) how is he going to win this fight being the economical fighter that he is? Manny won't slow down at all through the fight, if anything his activity will only increase. Floyd had great success finding Ricky coming straight in, and Oscar standing right infront, but Manny does neither. If Floyd can't KO him he would need a convincing UD, and once again how is this possible given the above factors, most notable a SD over Oscar who stood right infront of him, but when he threw and landed anywhere the crowd went bananas? I see too many intangibles in favour of Manny from activity, to appeal & most of all people wanting to see Floyd's mouth shut.

    Just my 2 cents ofcourse, but after seeing some of the punch output numbers & watching the last 2 fights for each fighter I honestly don't see how Floyd wins other than a KO. July 18th might provide some answers but until then I think I've got to go with Manny UD. Again not based entirely on who the better man is, but what people want to see.

    Please no hug/hate posts. Just logic & honest opinion.
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    Nah, Pacquiao is gonna try to go toe to toe against Mayweather, he isn't gonna outbox Floyd NO WAY. Mayweather has the reach, speed and timing to land on the guy, Mayweather doesn't have to throw alot, B-Hop lowered Calzaghe's output, Mayweather will do the same to Pacquiao. Pacquiao has killer speed in the inside, on the outside Mayweather will be able to see Pacquiao's punches.

    Mayweather is gonna have to jab to the body and land the right every once in a while, he'll also have to clinch, then move, he'll do this for the 1st 5 or 6 rounds, after that, Mayweather is gonna go at him, with a high guard, sorta like in the Zab fight and break him down. Once Mayweather has Pacquiao seriously hurt, I'm 100% sure he'll finish him

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      Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
      Nah, Pacquiao is gonna try to go toe to toe against Mayweather, he isn't gonna outbox Floyd NO WAY. Mayweather has the reach, speed and timing to land on the guy, Mayweather doesn't have to throw alot, B-Hop lowered Calzaghe's output, Mayweather will do the same to Pacquiao. Pacquiao has killer speed in the inside, on the outside Mayweather will be able to see Pacquiao's punches.

      Mayweather is gonna have to jab to the body and land the right every once in a while, he'll also have to clinch, then move, he'll do this for the 1st 5 or 6 rounds, after that, Mayweather is gonna go at him, with a high guard, sorta like in the Zab fight and break him down. Once Mayweather has Pacquiao seriously hurt, I'm 100% sure he'll finish him
      Oh no way am I saying Pac is going to outbox Floyd, it's not possible. He does have the timing/speed/reach to land on Pac, but I honestly thing I can say vice versa here. It's not like Floyd doesn't get hit.

      You really see Floyd going at him after 6? That would be something to see, I just can't imagine it though. If he's winning after 6 rounds by not going after him, why would he start after the 6th round & risk getting 1 punched?

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      • Shadow boxer 3
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        floyd punch output is low compared to other top boxers. but i think pac would bring out the best in him. i also think u will see a higher punch output from him starting with the JMM fight

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          sandyvahra, you bring up very good points... although i believe that sd pbf got over dlh should have been a ud... i agree with Dominicano Soy about floyd slowing pacman's output up... i can actually see him knocking out pac if he strings his punches together... i don't think roach would be ****** enough to instruct manny to go for the jugular with money may, he might try to get pac a little more calculating(not sure how that would work out)... floyd's gonna land the straight right, if pac finds a way to block it, pbf'll connect a left hook at the end of it... one thing's fa sho, the ko pac got on hitman was impressive, but ricky's feeble... he won't get floyd that way...

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          • sandyvahra
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            Originally posted by Shadow boxer 3
            floyd punch output is low compared to other top boxers. but i think pac would bring out the best in him. i also think u will see a higher punch output from him starting with the JMM fight
            I would expect a higher outpunch from Floyd vs. JMM, but based on styles more than anything else. If Pac does bring out the best in Floyd and makes him exchange this will be one of the most talked about fights in history imho.

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            • sandyvahra
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              Originally posted by phoneboothboxer
              sandyvahra, you bring up very good points... although i believe that sd pbf got over dlh should have been a ud... i agree with Dominicano Soy about floyd slowing pacman's output up... i can actually see him knocking out pac if he strings his punches together... i don't think roach would be ****** enough to instruct manny to go for the jugular with money may, he might try to get pac a little more calculating(not sure how that would work out)... floyd's gonna land the straight right, if pac finds a way to block it, pbf'll connect a left hook at the end of it... one thing's fa sho, the ko pac got on hitman was impressive, but ricky's feeble... he won't get floyd that way...
              Agreed 100%, but the fact that it wasn't...doesn't that concern you a bit? It just seems like people are wanting to see Floyd get his first L more & more. That's the only explanation I can fathom for Oscar getting 1 scorecard in his favour, and Oscar didn't do anything! I think Manny can make a more compelling/closer fight that Oscar did, which is why I can't see Floyd getting the nod in a close fight here. He has to KO to win, or very clearly outclass Pac which is no easy task.

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              • Doctor_Tenma
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                Originally posted by sandyvahra
                Oh no way am I saying Pac is going to outbox Floyd, it's not possible. He does have the timing/speed/reach to land on Pac, but I honestly thing I can say vice versa here. It's not like Floyd doesn't get hit.

                You really see Floyd going at him after 6? That would be something to see, I just can't imagine it though. If he's winning after 6 rounds by not going after him, why would he start after the 6th round & risk getting 1 punched?
                He did the same against Corrales, people don't know how effective the jab to the body can be. It can really break down an opponent, once Pacquiao has lost some steam, Mayweather is gonna go for the kill but not like an idiot, he'll do it with a Winky Type shell, like in the Zab fight.

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                • F l i c k e r
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                  No. Floyd's punch output is not enough to beat Pacman. We are talking about a speedy guy who throws more than 100 punches a round. Floyd doesn't even come close to Pacquiao's punch output.

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                  • larry x
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                    #10
                    pacman wont be swinging alot with floyd..if he does it'll be an early night ..cause floyd will ko pacman with a counter

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