Quick question for the Pacquiao fans...

[King Cotto]

Many critics of Pacquiao have began to question how is it that he agreed to face Oscar De La Hoya, an aging fighter, at 147, yet has refused to fight a challenger who is in his prime at the same weight level?

When you consider the fact that Pacquiao enters the ring at roughly 148 pounds on the night of the fight anyhow, this question merits a response. Unfortunately, it isn't likely one will be rendered.

Anyone care to step up to the plate for this one?

[BALLISTIC]

bottom line pacman knows cotto isint finished like oscar
and fights at 147 normally

oscar hasnt fought at 147 in ages..
just like how cotto hasnt fought at 140 in years

pacman is the money draw
if cotto wont meet pac at 140-144
it wont happen..

[Pepper]

Pac's camp said before that it's only a one time shot at 147.

[8ozglove]

Many critics of Pacquiao have began to question how is it that he agreed to face Oscar De La Hoya, an aging fighter, at 147, yet has refused to fight a challenger who is in his prime at the same weight level?

When you consider the fact that Pacquiao enters the ring at roughly 148 pounds on the night of the fight anyhow, this question merits a response. Unfortunately, it isn't likely one will be rendered.

Anyone care to step up to the plate for this one?

Pacman was not campiagning at 147 like B1tch Boat Buyer was.
B1tch Boat Buyer had a choke hold on the 147 lb WBC strap for two years and was not fighting any welter weights. Did you see how quick Forrest was stripped of his belt at 154? All I have to say is that fat ass Jose Sulaiman is a piece of ****.

[gopi11]

Pacman just went 5 pounds north and had 1 fight there against David Diaz. Oscar knows he can't ask a guy to move up 19 more pounds so that they can fight at 154, it will definitely not sell. Even at 147, people thought that the "Dream Match" was a joke, a circus for boxing fans to even consider. The logical solution was to meet somewhere, were Oscar has to go down a bit (7 pounds), and Pacman has to bulk up again (12 pounds) for this fight to happen, and it did happened.

It would be unfair to Cotto if the fight is at 140, were Pacman said he will settle, while it will also be unfair to Pacman, if the fight happens at Cotto's crib, which is the welterweight division. They should meet halfway, and halfway is 143 1/2 lbs., OR same day weigh-in if the fight is at 147, an hour and a half before the fight. That's the 2 options I can think of for this fight to happen.

I've read articles of Cotto saying he's interested to fight Pacman, even before the Hatton fight, while Bob Arum is just using Cotto's name as a leverage, if Floyd comes up and gatecrash the party...

[Benny Leonard]

Pacman was not campiagning at 147 like B1tch Boat Buyer was.
B1tch Boat Buyer had a choke hold on the 147 lb WBC strap for two years and was not fighting any welter weights. Did you see how quick Forrest was stripped of his belt at 154? All I have to say is that fat ass Jose Sulaiman is a piece of ****.

He didn't get the title until he fought Baldomir. Baldomir was a WW...and so was Judah since he was undisputed Champion at 147. Unless we want to say Judah was a blown up JrWW, and that would make Floyd then....?

But I can agree with this and I've said this before:
Even though I can suggest an explanation for it, I wasn't in favor of Floyd facing Mitchell and Judah at 147.

Baldomir he had to face; he was the lineal Champion.
After Baldy, he moved up in weight and fought for Oscar's 154 pound title. Then he moved back down and fought Hatton. This is when he should have been stripped of his title. If he wanted to face Hatton, that is on him but his title should have been stripped. He gets the pass with Oscar because of a number of reasons: One, Money obviously. Two, it was great for boxing to bring in the casual fan. Three: 154 pound title was on the line.
Four: you have one full year to defend your title against the #1 rated opponent in your division. At least that used to be it I think.

It was 13 months from Baldomir to Hatton by the way.

[8ozglove]

He didn't get the title until he fought Baldomir. Baldomir was a WW...and so was Judah since he was undisputed Champion at 147. Unless we want to say Judah was a blown up JrWW, and that would make Floyd then....?

But I can agree with this and I've said this before:
Even though I can suggest an explanation for it, I wasn't in favor of Floyd facing Mitchell and Judah at 147.

Baldomir he had to face; he was the lineal Champion.
After Baldy, he moved up in weight and fought for Oscar's 154 pound title. Then he moved back down and fought Hatton. This is when he should have been stripped of his title. If he wanted to face Hatton, that is on him but his title should have been stripped. He gets the pass with Oscar because of a number of reasons: One, Money obviously. Two, it was great for boxing to bring in the casual fan. Three: 154 pound title was on the line.
Four: you have one full year to defend your title against the #1 rated opponent in your division. At least that used to be it I think.

It was one 13 months from Baldomir to Hatton by the way.

13 months is an eternity in boxing. I was sure it was more like two years. But yes, Floyd should have been stripped for sure.

[Benny Leonard]

13 months is an eternity in boxing. I was sure it was more like two years. But yes, Floyd should have been stripped for sure.

Depends on how you see it. Boxers today fight 1-4x a year. If you can get these "Stars" to fight 2x a year you had a good year.

Back in the day, a fighter could cover a fight a month or more in that span. Now that was a great time for boxing.

One of the things with Pac is, he is one of the more active "Stars" one the scene. He likes to fight and Freddie likes to keep him busy to stay at his best. Now, only if more boxers would take that path.

It still would be great to see a fighter fight more than 4x a year as well.

Once a month would be great if the fighter is healthy. But, that's one thing the Old Timers fought through...poor health. That's actually the negative side to it.


That's one of things I loved about growing up with Tyson even though I was so young. At his best, he was very active so I heard about him all the time as a little kid. Once he got with King...eh...inactivity.
Actually, that's a nice thread boost.


Back to Floyd: What Floyd should have done was not fight Mitchell and Judah and tried to get a fight with someone else. I've reasoned it before why he fought them but I still say there were others he could have fought; other Big WW fighters that started their career at 147 and blow up in weight.

I'm still not sure Arum was interested in giving him Cotto after Floyd left Arum so that is another issue. Arum was however willing to give him Margarito. But Floyd wasn't going to take that chance for low cost when he was on route to get to Oscar.

Shane was there but that fell through.

But there were others out there. But Floyd was always looking for that Oscar matchup. That's one thing that was bad about it all...Floyd was impatient. That's why he didn't stay at 135 and `140 to cement a better legacy. Oscar was farther uphill so he climbed to get to him and was just buying time.

[mathed]

Pacman has been stepping through the divisions like a wildman, he has proved his worth and opponents wanting to fight him must meet his weight demands just as Money thinks other boxers should meet his weight demands.

Floyd is in the backseat while Pac is really driving the "Money train"

[- JCHING -]

Plain and simple- Roach and Arum are protecting their prize horse. They know the big fights are with the welterweights but they know Pac will in all likelihood get KO'd against these guys at their weight class. So what's the solution? Beat them at the scales. They're excuse for this? Pac is the P4P #1 and doesn't need these guys. The fact is though, where has Pac got to go besides a rematch with JMM if Mayweather, Cotto and Mosely all refuse to drop down to 142? JMM 3 and retirement beckon. Will that solidify his status as the generations best? I don't think so. Besides jumping in weight, which isn't too difficult for a guy of Pacquiao's height and frame, his resume is actually better on paper than in reality where his only genuinely great wins are Barrera 1, a controversial JMM win and Hatton. Unless they take risks ala JMM and fight the best guys at the weight and step up to any challenge, Pacquiao probably just sc****s it as an ATG but no where near the best of ths generation.